Obtainable Coin Types (In your area)

Gaining Permission Part 4

Another use of the local library is to become known to the community. After all does anyone know you are interested in finding old items? Most libraries put on displays of various collections from people local to the area. Take the time to ask if they ever had a display of objects found in the area from those days gone by. Most times a person?s display will look like a museum collection, and this is with nothing really all that valuable! The items donated for display are most likely kept under a locked case and are very safe and are returned after a set period of time, this is normally a one month period of time. Imagine having your display of old brass buttons, tokens, some mercury dimes and other silver coins, spiced with square nails and older brass jewelry. Throw in some old clay marbles and those odd and end toys that we always seem to find when out hunting.
I did such a thing, and it was a good feeling to walk in one day and see senior citizens and young children looking at the display. Comments made by the older folks were ?I haven?t seen one of those in years!? Later the person in charge told me that the display actually drew more attention than any other collection they have had in the past. It was a complete success, and later the fruits of gaining permission were harvested.
When I went and asked for permission to hunt a location I would mention the library display that I had back in October and many times the person I was asking said that yes they had enjoyed it very much. It is also a good thing to ask if they had lost anything of valuable so that if you find it, you could return it to them. Most times I was given the permission to hunt anytime I liked.
Another good idea is after hunting show what you found to the property owner. Ask about a certain item and see if they think it might of once belonged to a past relative. An example would be could this have once belonged to your mother or grandfather? Often times giving a material object to the property owner puts someone closer to a deceased loved one and is much more meaningful to them than a couple of old coins. Words of good will and being trust worthy travel fast.
 
Let's Look At That Park Again!

Now that we have been to the local library, let's see if that local park is more interesting than just a flat grassy area. Check back in those pictorical history books and check if the area had old houses, businesses or it it drew large groups of folks celebrating in the past. One park from my old home town had a large gathering back in the 1890's to throw a special event for the local children. It drew over 3,000 folks from the surrounding area. Another park had once held several sawmills that operated back in the days of floating logs down the Mississippi River. It held other businesses too. Some of the structures served different purposes over the years. One was a saloon and then a hotel before being torn down. Another was a livery stable and then a business that house the local hearse company. Hunting though all that recent fill and top-soil is not all that productive I have found. These locations I keep record of and wait till some major change takes place there. If any of the dirt is removed, or a new building is being built, often times the ground is prepared and those older dirt layers are availible to be hunted for the first tiem since the coming of the metal detector. All those dropped items are available to be recovered.
 
More Recovered Drops

Here is an couple of old buttons. The mangled one is an old eagle button found where a house was once located at. The mangled button was found where the cement walk was torn out. It stands to reason that the original path to the house was right in line with the later cement walk. The shortest point between two locations is where most drops happened, an example is from the back door of a farm house to the outhouse.
The second button with the number two on it, was found in a shaved down yard. This old button is well made and had been identified as being a French Regimental button. I at first had thought that it was a U.S. Regimental button, I even entertained thoughts that it could be a button from the 2nd U.S. Infantry Regiment, part of the famous Iron Brigade, many of their troops were mustered from our area. But I have never been able to 100% determine it's origin due to this specialty is a bit outside my area of study. The area it was found at had been at one time British and French territory, so who really knows for sure. It is interesting finds such as these that make a good display for your local library.
 

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This next picture has a couple of buttons that you have already seen, but there are a couple of others not posted before. One is the smaller Eagle button (in this case a cuff button), these read a bit low due to being made of brass. Found once more in a yard that got shaved down in preparation for new construction. The other I?m posting about is the Eagle button pin. This was bought at a local rummage sale. Everything there was very high priced, except this pin. It was $2, I liked the look of it and paid for it. After I had done so the ladies had said that they never figured out what it was. I had already paid for it, so I told them what it was and left. Would I have been interested in this pin if I had not been into metal detecting? Most likely not, I would of passed it up, just like many others surely must of done for it to still be there when I came along. This hobby of seeking out the old stuff is a great way to become knowledgeable in recognizing items.
 

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Even More Civil War Stuff!

I ended up hitting a shaved down yard that was a jackpot of old relics. The buckle was said to be a Officer's Sash Buckle. When I found it, I was hunting with that older fellow that I mentioned found over 70 old coins on the sidewalk tearup near the church. We were hunting along and I got a good signal, I bent down to dig this piece of bent brass. I foolishly straightened it out, luckily not snapping it in half. I realized I had seen this Eagle before, it was an officer eagle! This was one of the few times I let out a yell. The older fellow checked it out and left soon afterwards, he did say he wished he had found it. Others that heard me were a group of firefighters practicing a controled burn of a nearby house that was soon to be torn down. Earlier the firefighters were snickering over me metal detecting, but they were soon checking out my discovery. These eagles are common on Union Officer buckles, but those are made out of heavier brass. I did make a call to some fellow down in the Carolina's and he informed me that there were thinner ones that are found from time to time. It appears that this is what I had dug that day. Later I was to find even more eagle buttons from this yard. They were all "General Officer" coat and cuff buttons.
Seeing as how I had found an Illinois State seal button, I was hoping to find a Wisconsin one in this location. About a week or so later I did just that, but I do not have a picture of it anymore.
 

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Yes, these are Wisconsin finds. So one does not need to find oneself wishing they were in some far away location to find something interesting. Items like these are all around the members reading this thread. Who knows there might be even better stuff where your located at?
Later I'll be posting more finds and experiences that I remember. I will add more things that helped get permission to hunt property that was not mine. I do want to go into gaining permision to hunt demo sites due to so much can be found in these locations. Also I want to write up some stories of treasure finds that are not my own and post them here also.
 
Other Versions

There were other stories I once wrote.
Wheats Don't Count!

Having purchased my first metal detector, I wanted to find enough to pay for the machine. A small goal, but a worthy one none the less. But those early days of digging pocket change and being content with an occasional find such as a silver ring or a stray token were about to change. Something happened one day and it changed the type of hunting I liked to do. Sometimes I believe it spoiled me to a degree. It was the finding of the first silver coins with that low cost machine. The term "keeper" which has been around awhile, became my new goal.
Keeper coins to me were special coins, they had to meet certain requirements. First they could either be silver or at least a Buffalo nickle. When it came to copper coins, it had to be a Indian Head. I had reach the stage where Wheats don't count! All they were good for was dating an area. If you find wheats, there might be silver coins.
If you find wheats, you just threw it in the finds pouch and kept on hunting and hoping. The first season was a series of chance detecting locations. People you knew that said it was ok. Grassy strips between sidewalk and street. Other spots that looked great to my novice eyes, little did I realize, those spots were where everyone else had hunted before. Somehow from July to December of that first season of hunting, I had found almost enough pocket change to pay for the machine, plus several silver rings and a couple of odd ball tokens. But most importantly, I had 17 better coins, the Keepers! All were silver, but 2 which were Indian Heads. A couple of Mercury Dimes, Rosie's and 3 Walker halves no less, and one Washington quarter. The Indian Heads were 1887 (my first) and 1904. One 1887 coin, I had found my first pre-1900 coin! One out of seventeen coins. I decided to become what I call a Percentage Hunter! Percentage hunting is the total of all pre-1900 coins divided by the total number of keepers. One divided by seventeen is 5.88%, I was on my way. Winter came and I did some research, next season would be better for me.
Researching the area I lived in during the early years of my metal detecting was simple. I just went to the local library. There were many books on the early history of LaCrosse, Wisconsin. So many to read, but I elected to read none of those. I went for the pictorial history books of the area. When there was a picture of a park, store, church or any business of interest, I wrote the name of the building, where it was located and the date. I formed my own map of where the older coins, most likely were dropped many years ago. For LaCrosse, it was close to the banks of the Mississippi River. This area was once the heart of the then forming community. Imagine a business in a photo, the date is 1874. The wooden board walk is in front of the store, folks standing around talking, one reaches in his pocket for change for a newspaper and out falls a Indian Head. The Cent takes a bounce and goes in between the cracks of the board walk. No chance to recover that coin, and it was left to lay there for over 100 years. That coin and many more were waiting there for me.
I dug around and discovered my old notes on finds. The first season of detecting the keeper coins were as follows: In one day I got my first, second, third and fourth coins, all from one unhunted grassy strip between a sidewalk and the street. The 1925D Mercury dime was the first, then a 1945 Washington quarter, 1942 Mercury Dime and a 1939S mercury dime. Other coins found the first season were the 3 Walker halves (WW II-era), 2 Merc's and 6 Rosies, followed by the two Indian Heads.
Examples of the Pictorial History book, research of LaCrosse, Wisconsin, gave me ideas as to the age of certain locations and still existing buildings in my home town. John Pfluger & Sons cooper shop, SE corner of 3rd and Ferry Street: 1900. 10th Ward School present site of Franklin School: 1910. Hammes Grocery Store 901 Adams Street: 1900 Martindale House at 237 South 10th Street: 1859-1860 There were many other buildings and businesses named and dates given, too many to list here, but from these I could keep my eyes open for a chance to detect close to potential high traffic areas where older coins most likely were lost. So with a little better information, I began my second year of metal detecting with the coming of spring.

Second Season
The second season to metal detect, found me hunting closer to older sites obtained from the limited research done over the winter. Still hunting over mostly grassy areas, I was starting to find more keeper coins. I ended this year of hunting with 34 keeper coins. But still the coins tended to be the more modern silver Rosies and Mercury dimes. Four of the keepers happened to be from before 1900. They were discovered in a certain type of location which was to become a type of site I searched for whenever possible. The new hot spot for hunting was house demo sites. House demo sites were where the house was knocked down to make room for a more modern building. The sites are best then the top soil is shaved down a couple of inches. This removes most trash and anything left is older stuff. The first site I was hunting was near 6th and Cass Street in LaCrosse, Wisconsin.
I ended up getting several Indian Heads, one of which was an 1874 and a couple of 1880's. They were close together in a small area, most likely a foot path behind the old house. The other coin was a German coin dated 1862. Finds like these gave me hope that I could find other old coins. The second site was near 10th and Ferry Street. I was hunting and some young kid came up and as we talked I received a signal and dug my first Barber Dime a 1912. The kid was impressed, without thinking I said it pays to re-scan the hole and as I did so I received another signal. The second coin was my first Liberty nickel 1910, a small pocket spill from the past. My pre-1900 keeper percentage for the year was now 11.76 %. But as content as I was with how things were going, the next season was to get even better with the discovery of an even better producing type of hunt site.

The Big Year
This was the start of the 2003 metal detecting season. I was hunting demo site yards of older houses. The first keeper coin of the year was an 1899 Barber dime. Another yard demo site produced a nice 1863 (Fatty) Indian head cent. This coin was the oldest I had found so far, of course it was also located closer to the oldest section of town. But the real break thru was the first side walk tear up I was to detect. I located a section of about 120 feet that was removed. I decided to give it a try, just on a whim. Little did I realize at the time that these were the better spots to hunt. The old walk had to of been poured before the coming of the metal detector. I started to hunt and the targets were there. This section produced 11 coins in a very short period of time (about 2 hours). I hunted slow and overlapped real well. The coins were older ones, the newest was dated 1898, the oldest 1882. Four of the Indian heads were from the 1880's, four from the 1890's, one 1889 Liberty Nickel and two Barber dimes. Other targets included: a brass wagon wheel from an old toy, one token that was blank on both sides. But the most important were the square nails. Square nails important? Yes, the square nails were the key to the older coins in side walk removal sections. If one finds square nails, then the older coins are close by. The nails meant the old wooden board walk once was located right here. The dropped coins were there for the finding.
As the season continued, I hunted every location where the surface was removed exposing deeper layers of dirt never before detected. Some produce little or nothing, but most yielded interesting brass bits of the past. Buttons, tokens as well as older pieces of lost jewelry. Coins continued to surface also. At a steady pace the number of keepers continued to add up. The newest happened to be Mercury dimes, silver Rosie's were becoming a thing of the past in these new types of hunt sites. One location that presented itself was a sidewalk tear-up at the corner of 7th and King Streets. The area produced a large cent, but it was a Canadian one with a hole. Someone must have worn it in the past and lost it. It was dated 1859.
The next site of note, fate took me to happened to be to the area of 4th and Division Street. Forth and Division Street had been hunted by me once before. On both sides of the street were interesting locations, both houses. One with a condemned sign the other an older small brick residence. Both produced little of real interest. But then the houses were still standing. The condemned one was the first to go. After the ground was shaved down it produced some tokens from local businesses of the past. One day I called a friend who informed me that the older brick house was removed. I drove past and checked on the location. What I saw made me decided to forego sleep that night. The ground was shaved down at least 8 inches! The house was no where in sight. The darker dirt was exposed for the first time since the founding of the city!

The Night Hunt
Foregoing sleep to hunt such a location of promise was not a difficult choice. I proceeded to detect the shaved down area in the dark. I used no light, but a block away was a street light. The detector gave off multi-tones on the targets it sensed and I just went by sound. After about 2 hours I had recovered 4 Indian Heads. I could tell they were Indian Heads by the dim light of the distance street light, but the dates were unknown till I got home. At home I washed the dirt off them and discovered one was dated 1872. The other three were dated 1888, 1881 and 1870. I looked them up online and seen the 1872 was priced at $275 at the time. I decided I had to go back and hunt some more. That 1877 Indian Head just had to be there!
I drove back over to the site and proceeded to hunt some more. Not using a light to hunt was exciting. First to find a coin was nice, but seeing what it was later, sort of gave one a second boast of excitement, less of course it was a wheat. I hunted for about an hour or so and found 3 more coins. The dim distance street light was enough to see that one was silver. I placed the silver dime in my car, so I did not drop it in the dark. It started to bug me what that silver coin was. I decided to go back to check in out with the dome light. I got a shock when I realized I had dug my first seated coin and did not even know it! It was a nice shaped 1889 Seated Dime.
The location gave up some other firsts to me. I found my first 2 cent piece, which has a strange coloring to it. My first nicer watch fob was found there as well as this most interesting brass button. The totals from the site in coins that where found there that I know of came to 17. Several folks hunted this spot to death before it became a display lot for a car dealership. I was lucky to have gotten in first and managed 14 of the 17 known coins. Personal totals from this site came to 2 Seated Dimes, 2 Barber Dimes, 1- 2 Cent Piece, 1 Buffalo nickel and 8 Indian heads. At this point of the season I had 49 keeper coins, 34 were pre-1900. I was now digging over 69% pre-1900 keepers. Location was the key to the older finds. But the season was not over yet...
 
The Sequel

Wheats Don't Count Part 2


The 2003 metal detecting season still had several months remaining. I continued to hunt locations where houses were removed for special projects. The city was doing an area around the corner of Hood and 4th Street. This area had 3 houses removed. It was a long drawn out project to straighten a dangerous curve in the road. I had gotten in to hunt the area and found a nice 1868 Indian head and another dated 1907. The area had promise, but only after time and looking back did I realize the vast amount of coins and relics the area contained.
The hunt site was about 200 feet long and about a half a block wide. Three houses were condemned and knocked down. This created quite a bit of scrap metal and many signals to come for some time. Across the alley was an old brick house that one could plainly see was from the 1800's. On the other side of the street was a triangular piece of ground that once was the site of a blacksmith's shop. In the early stages of the demolition of this site, the crews removed the clothes line posts for personal use at one of their homes. In doing so, they toppled some tall lilac bushes exposing the dirt and roots. I scanned this small area and was rewarded with an Indian Head cent from the 1890's. Targets were plentiful, but good targets were slow in coming. Conditions were to change fast in a few short days. Soon the building rubble was completely removed. Heavy equipment scraped off layers of topsoil, in places they went as deep as a foot or more. It was at this point of hunting the site that I noticed square nails. These homes that were condemned were not old enough to have used square nails. I came to the conclusion that at least two buildings had stood in this location.

The mystery disk
Hunting this large expanse of open older layers of dirt was a challenge. Much of the trash in the past was thrown in the outhouse or burned. Some items were just dropped, the better ones by accident. These were the days when all women taught their daughters to mend the holes in pockets and sew. These areas are quite trashy, but the rewards are there if one hunts slowly. The key to finding the better items is to dig all positive signals. I always removed my trash and that of others. Nothing was more disappointing then digging a great signal and finding it was something I had uncovered once before. Two finds that I made hunting here stand out...

A nice shape 1915 Buffalo Nickel and one a mysterious small silver disk. The Buffalo was in great shape for its age. Most times the dates were worn off on the early ones from circulation. This one must have been dropped soon after it was minted. The mysterious silver disk remained a mystery for several months after I had found it. It wasn't till the winter months that I took the time to look more closely and noticed this disk had a reeded edge. (The photos did not turn out as planned for the mystery disk) So I might as well describe the disk. It was somewhat out of shape and flattened. A small hole was thru it, it appeared to be a small square nail hole. I looked closely with a 10 power loop and discovered it had a reeded edge. Closer examination reveal faint stars and on one side Hal- Dim-!
I had found a old worn out Half Dime, was it a Seated or Bust Dime? To this day I still wonder which one it was. It was my oldest U.S. coin so far, but I could hardly count it except for it's bullion value. I believe I logged the find at a value of $.30, the current silver bullion value. In the future I would find yet another Half Dime that one too, was in sad shape.
This set line tag (left) was found hunting a lot where another house was torn down. It is dated 1910 and held up well over the years. It was a nice little find and the only set line tag I ever found. Hard to find due to a set line was a fishing line and used in the water. I believe set lines are now illegal in Wisconsin.

One day I was hunting the lot where the three houses were torn down. Another older gentleman was also hunting the location. I was in one area and he in another. I received a nice signal and dug up a bent piece of brass. I looked at it and let out a yell. He came over and looked at my find. We were both in disbelief as we looked at the brass officer's plate. I hunted some more and started digging other low readings. In a short time I had several staff officers coat and cuff buttons. In the past I had read an article about some fellow finding a U S plate in Iowa. I had found my only Civil War plate in LaCrosse Wisconsin. Later I was to learn it was a officer sash buckle. The following spring this area gave up a Wisconsin State Seal button also, it had the hook attachment on the back instead of the round brass loop. I do not have a picture of the Wisconsin Seal button anymore. By the end of my third season of hunting I had a nice collection of the civil war stuff without ever traveling out of town.

Below is a rare token, it is rare due to the fact it is an octagon. The ones listed in the Wisconsin trade token book are round. The local coin dealer claimed it was the first he had ever seen. An offer was made for it $20. But when a coin dealer offers a price you can bet it is worth much more to a collector. The find was made at yet another house demo site. I remember being very pleased when I dug this one up. Being that it was in good shape and an octagon no less. "Good For One Drink" tokens are very collectable. History of the token: The Governer Guard was a organization of Civil War veterans who so I understand did good deeds and such after the war. Rough estimate of the date of the token is 1870.

Below is my first nice button Illinois state seal. I always believed this was a Civil War button, but posting it in the past I was told post-Civil War. This came from yet another yard demo site. It was found in the dead of winter in Wisconsin. Yes one can metal detect in the frozen north at that time of year. The key to hunting in very cold weather is to hunt locations where the dark earth is exposed. A south-facing slope of ground well, on a sunny day warm up enough to dig down a couple of inches. This button managed to retain much of it's gold gilt. An interest part of the Civil War finds is that a friend in LaCrosse was a member of an reenacting group known as the Iron Brigade. He also metal detected and had gone to such places as Gettysburg with his group and was refused permission to detect private land. When he was shown the Civil War stuff I had found in our home town, he shook his head in disbelief. I gave him a button or two before I moved out to Montana. I wonder if he has found any back home yet?

One of my favorite types of finds, Dog Tax Tags! If you find these folks do not part with them. Check the prices of these much in demand collectibles. Pre-1900 U.S. Dog Tax Tags are worth a easy $150 or more a piece. All three I found had come from the same yard. I always wondered if they belonged to the same dog? This house demo site happened to be the one I had found the Barber dime and Liberty nickel in the same hole in front of the youngster on 10th and Ferry Street. The 1902 is a hard to find date, it and the 1905 were cleaned due to I could not tell what they were. The 1902 is known as a pictorial tag. I never found a pre-1900 tag, it well remain on my wish list.
 
One Day A Title Came To Me

I then wrote this story:
The Carpet of Coins


This is the story of my wondering if there were deeper coins that I was not finding. I had some success with the Radio Shack detector, but would a more advanced model enable me to find more older coins. My gal's family encouraged the purchase of an expensive model. After all they said, look what all he has found already. I told my (future wife) it will pay for itself. She agreed, and the next metal detector I purchased was a White's MXT.
The start of the 2004 detecting season in LaCrosse, Wisconsin began on February 28th. I took the new machine to the site on 10th and Ferry street. It was pretty much finished giving up older coins, or so I thought!
The first couple of times with the MXT at sites I had hunted hard in the past surprised me with 5 of the first 6 keepers being older nickels. They were a 1911 Liberty nickel to start the year, followed by an 1891 Indian head, then 4 straight buffalo nickels. The next 3 coins were Indian heads, but they were all from after 1900. I figured there would be a learning curve with this machine, least that's what folks say when you get a different detector. But this was not the case.
One important find that was not a coin was my first gold ring. The newspaper had a story about several areas the city wanted to improve. I cut out the article and checked these areas out. At one of them they were going to remove a building and enlarge a store. One day they had a large dumpster behind the building. I knew this meant it was soon to be torn down. I went and detected the yard area. I found several wheats in a spot of loose soil. Near the edge of the parking lot I received a reading in the 30's or so. I dug it and just 3-4 inches down, I saw the glimmer of gold. I seen a design on the side and turned the ring, it had a square of white gold and the stone was still in it! Grass roots had grown thru the ring, but I popped them out by sliding the ring on my finger. My first gold ring, and it was a man's solitaire, that fit no less! I showed my gal the ring, and promised to find her a nice one, (but I'm still looking). This special find was to latter become my wedding ring. I had the MXT for one month, it had already paid for itself!
For the next month I went around hunting sites I had hunted for the last two years. It was surprising the number of coins these spots still gave up to this new machine. I one day decided to check some of those iffy targets. Several of them were deeper silver coins.
One coin I found was an 1880 Canadian 5 cent coin, it was small. I figured it was the size of a Half Dime or so. The find gave me confidence that I should be able to find some coin types that had so far eluded me.
I figured with the town starting in 1850, there were possibly coins 30 years older in circulation back in those early days. I hoped to find some of those early dropped coins. I remember using the Red Book and making a list of coins that I hoped to find that year.
My list included: The 3 cent Nickel, Silver 3 cent piece, Bust Dime, Half Dime (with readable date), Franklin half, Barber Half, Flying Eagle cent, Large cent, Half Cent, Shield Nickel and Seated quarter. By the end of the year I had found 3 of those type coins!
Timing can sometimes play a major part in finding some nice coins or relics. The month of June 2004 the state and city of Lacrosse, Wisconsin decided to do some work on a sharp curve in town. The project took place on 4th Street from Hood to Jackson Streets. Both sides of the street had their sidewalks removed for water and sewer hookups. Even the street itself was redone. I was fortunate to get in this area from start to finish. I hunted this prime section of exposed undetected ground for over 4 months. Several other detectorists also took advantage of this opportunity. They came from various locations in Wisconsin to hunt due to the potential of the site. It was here that I first met a fellow who became a good friend. He is known as Scratch here at Treasure Quest. I remember he had said if I was to find a Seated Quarter it would be here. This area of hunting ended up being so loaded with coins that I came to believe there was a carpet of coins under most of the City! Like I said timing can be everything, June happened to be a record for rainfall. The MXT in this wet exposed soil was picking up coins at depths of at least 10 inches! During the month of June, I dug 53 keeper coins, of those (43) were pre-1900.
While I had the MXT, one day I noticed a section of sidewalk that was being replaced at the corner of Market and 4th Streets. This was right in front of a building that was a church that dated back to the 1860's-1870's. I ran home to get the MXT but my batteries were in need of a recharge. All I had was the old trusty Radio Shack. I took that back to this newly exposed section of walk. This area consisted of only 3-4 sections of cement torn out. I only had about 20 minutes to hunt before work, but I retrieved several targets. The coins I got out of there were: an 1868 Indian Head, an 1865 2-cent piece and an 1876 Seated dime. I've included this portion of the 2004 season to show that location is one of the most important aspects of finding older coins. Under the sidewalks in older towns is a carpet of coins that still remain to be found. That 20 or so minutes of hunting with the Radio Shack was the last time I picked it up to hunt. It was retired after that and eventually given to my step-son as his first detector.
The long stretch of sidewalk replacements and other improvements was very muddy, but that made getting signals easy and retrieving them was simple with such soft ground. Each day the crews shifted dirt around and this made rehunting the area rewarding. At times there were trenches for water and sewer hookups. I remember hunting in one of these trenches and scanning the sides. I did that to get coins that were under the walks that were not getting removed. The coins rang up lower because they were on edge more, so I had to dig some weak signals. One happened to be an 1864 (fatty) Indian Head. Getting a coin in this manner is not recommended, but it does work. One spot that sticks out in my mind was an area of several square feet on the sidewalk replacement that gave up about 10 coins. I still believe that the spot was the location of one of the old horse drawn trolley stops. There had to be a reason so many coins fell between the cracks of the old wooden board walk that once was there.
I was told that an area like this would most likely produce my first Seated Quarter. I did find my first one in this side walk section. It was on a night hunt, I had gotten a good signal near a puddle of water. I dug down and retrieved a nice 1878 CC Seated Quarter! A little further on I got another good signal and dug a Galena House key fob. Two feet from that I dug a second Galena House key fob. Some one must have taken the train or a Steamboat to LaCrosse in the past. A few days later on the opposite side of the street, I dug a 1900 Barber Quarter. Right in that area were several 1880's and 1890's Indian heads and a couple Liberty Nickels. I figured this was another old Horse Drawn Trolley stop, most likely the one heading the opposite direction, to return workers to their homes. This area did later produce another of the old Trolley tokens.

I was hunting along and received a low reading and dug up a smooth disk. Looking at it closely with my 10 power loop I noticed, I had just dug my first Shield Nickel. Enough of the detail was there to know what it was, but the date was gone. Several nice runs happened hunting this area. One was digging 14 (pre-1900) keepers in a row, another run of 24 keeper coins contained one from 1900 (the Barber quarter) and coins dated 1901 and 1902 (Indian Heads) these were the most modern coins in this area! The best 24 hour period I managed 25 older coins. Totals by the end of the hunting season were: (16) Liberty Nickels, (6) Shield Nickels, (4) 2-Cent Pieces, (6) Barber coins, (1) Nickel 3-Cent Piece, (11) Seated Coins of which (4) were from the Carson City Mint, and over 90 Indian Heads. Counting all coins that I consider keepers I reached 169 coins. Of these 124 were pre-1900. This made the pre-1900 percentage just over 73% for the year. An interesting footnote was I only dug 3 Mercury Dimes during the season.

Some coins come in bunches others come one at a time. I hunted this spot sometimes twice in one day. Before work after work (the night hunts). If I managed just one, it was a good hunt. I hope this story helps others to decide to check out that old torn up sidewalk. If you do, you might get a nice surprise. Your oldest coin, a token, maybe even the rare gold coin. Who really knows what bounced between the cracks of those old wooden boards walks long ago.
 
This Was A Good One

Treasures Great and Small
This article started out entitled. "The secret to old coins." But after part way thru it turned into what is now called, "Treasures Great and Small." I still have to take pictures of the finds that are to go with it. It is all hand written and needs typing and posting. As i stated i was writing the story and penned a phrase, that i knew was meant to be the title.


Treasures Great and Small
Treasures Great and Small As I have mentioned in one of my previous stories, the secret to finding those old coins was finding old brass, the smaller the piece of brass the better. Whether the brass appears to be scrap or is an item of value does not matter. Many times these broken or intact bits and pieces of brass can help give a general idea as to the age of the coins that more than likely are in the area you are searching. In fact there are two metals that I have found that seem to have been used much more often 100 plus years ago than they are today. Those two not counting iron, are brass and lead. But for this detecting tip/story, I will focus mainly on the brass items. Continued ...


Treasures Great and Small Part 2
Brass was used for buttons, jewelry, tokens and countless other purposes, too many to ever mention here. Back during what I prefer to call the “Golden Age of Brass,” it was a very common metal. Items were later replaced with plastic and plated modern counter parts. But the old brass items were crafted with style and pride. They had fancy scroll work in their designs. Even the numbers on such items looked different than what we see today. Sure many people used silver and gold for jewelry and some other items. But for the most part the common folks, the working class, the purchase of a finely worked piece of brass was the limit of their purchasing power. But these special gifts were cherished just the same. Wife’s and childhood sweethearts wore with pride to Sunday Church and social get-to-gathers these prized possessions. On occasion they happened to discover they had lost their symbols of affection. A frantic search was conducted, some tears shed, and the incident forgotten over time.continued ...

Treasures Great and Small Part 3
Imagine digging an old brass band, it looks just like a wedding ring. You place it in your pouch, take it home, wash it off and set it aside to be forgotten. Once in a while you go thru your finds to discover over a couple of years you have found several. Maybe you even upon digging them tossed it aside, or dumped it in the trash with the pull-tabs.Now imagine the year is 1867 and a woman dressed in the heavy concealing clothing of the period is toiling in her garden on a hot summer day. As she is pulling the weeds in a row of beans, she fails to notice her wedding band slips from her fingers. She never realizes it until she starts to prepare supper. She has friends and family help in her search, which ends in despair. But it is found… 140 years later. A little too late for her, so maybe pausing for a moment or two when we find these items is a respectful thing to do. After all this is one of the treasures that is great and small.So Treasures Great and Small became the title.


Treasures Great and Small Part 4
So let’s take a look at some of old those brass items and the pride and craftsmanship that went into them. Hopefully we can get a general idea as to their age. From this we can also realize the potential of the old coins that could have been lost or even buried. First we have a selection of old brass wedding bands. These were found in various yard demo sites. These special prized possessions were lost by several women in the past. Did they get a replacement ring? Did they ever get over and accept it was gone forever. How long did they search? These are questions we will never know the answers to.Attached Thumbnails


Treasures Great and Small Part 5
Next we have an assortment of old buttons. For the most part they are brass. These were lost over a period of time. This was back in the days when all women sewed and mended clothes. Buttons such as these are collected by some people still today. The pride and craftsmanship of the period is evident in their detail and beauty. One still has much of the original gold gilt.Attached Thumbnails


Treasures Great and Small Part 6
The next assortment of items includes several pins that are classic examples of the style jewelry of the period. There is one hair barrette that was lost by some young lady, this piece is still fully functional. To the lower left of the photo is an old locket, this find I believe dates back to the 1860’s-1870’s or so. These items must have been prized at one time, due to the locations they were found in. All were dug in what were at one time yards of homes that no-longer exist.Attached Thumbnails


Treasures Great and Small Part 7
So the next time you dig an old piece of brass, don’t just say oh well and toss it aside, or stuff it into a forgotten container. The original owner might have rewarded you with a home-made apple pie, if you had found their cherished item over 100 years ago!


Some Reviews From TQ Members I felt this story had appeal to the Ladies of Treasure Quest. So after the pictures and last post were up. I noticed several Ladies online and private messaged them to read and let me know what they think of the story. Three were contacted and all three sent a reply.


Reply number 1. Private Message: Re: Treasures Great and Small Today, 01:23 PM pris vbmenu_register("postmenu_", true); Master DiggerJoin Date: Feb 2007Location: Southern CaliforniaPosts: 506 Re: Treasures Great and Small I really like it. It really makes me think about what I'm finding. Of course, I haven't found any sites that have been scraped down, yet. I very much enjoy your writing. I was happy to see your Greatest Hits, too. I like that you really think about the sites you hunt and how they were used, thereby you know that the items you find are actually worth something to the people who lost them. Fascinating! I can't wait to read more. Quote:Originally Posted by Free2Dtect I seen you reading it, what do you think of it?


Reply number 2. julieburger vbmenu_register("postmenu_", true); Veteran DiggerJoin Date: Apr 2007Location: Hiram,GAPosts: 187 Re: Treasures Great and Small I felt my eyes tear up. 1st you have quite a talent for storytelling. This is a sentimental piece to me because I am searching my great grandparents homesite. This was my great grandfathers brothers home 1st but he was killed by his mule and my grandpa bought the farm from his widow but could not afford to build a new home so he tore down the rotten parts and made do with the useable lumber. Just this week I found some of the debris and in it was a brass compact lid that i was able to date to the late 20's early 30's. This made me sit and think about her life and what it must have been like to lose her husband and her farm. Thank you for writing such thoughtful stories. Julie


Reply number 3. Today, 01:35 PM anne vbmenu_register("postmenu_", true); Little DiggerJoin Date: May 2007Location: Somerset,EnglandPosts: 41 Re: Treasures Great and Small Quote:Originally Posted by Free2Dtect It is now done, read it and tell me what you think of it. I like what you are writing.Here in England we often marvel at the items we find and try and imagine in what circumstances these things were lost.

JoAnne Elite TQ Member Join Date: Jul 2006Location: Plattsburgh, New YorkPosts: 1,105

Wow Free - you have done it again. Excellent story! You bring them to life. You are right - too often we find items but never really stop and think about the stories and/or history behind them. Will definitely make me reflect on what I have found. PS The pictures are a nice touch. Helps to realize that these were someone's prized possessions.
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One i forgot The smallest of the small. This was a very small girls ring, she most likely lost it between the cracks of a wooden board walk. Location found (sidewalk replacement section) near the Mississippi River, LaCrosse, Wisconsin. We will never know her name.

John's Detectors Treasure Quest Sponsor Join Date: Nov 2005Location: West TexasPosts: 697

Excellent article Free!!! Thank you. I enjoyed the chat too. God Bless ya Free.

Thanks to everyone who replied. I also enjoyed the chat on the phone.
 
I took the liberty of moving these stories I had written from a site that I was posting on. Unfortunately the pictures did not make it thru the copy and paste process.
So the members of Gometaldetecting.com can enjoy reading them. There should be some helpful tips for folks to try.
 
Hunting a Hunted Out Site
I will write an article here so everyone can read it. I will let everyone know when i am finished with it.

Hunting a Hunted Out Site: Sometimes we have hunted a site to death, or we have been told the site is cleaned out. In the past, I have gone back to locations that I had hunted to death. This was due to the fact that site types I would sooner hunt were not ready. Several sites come to mind where I had returned for 2 or more seasons. These usually tended to be yards where old houses once stood. Two of them in fact, I had never even seen the house that once was there. I knew they had houses due to the large size of the empty lot. I had hunted these sites and recovered silver dimes, Indian head cents and many tokens. The silver quarters seemed to have been lost far less often. Now as I have stated, I ended up returning to these sites for various reasons. The first was hunt sites of choice not being ready. But as I continued to metal detect, I noticed there were certain occasions that resulted in these locations producing more finds. I will cover four of the reasons why I ended up returning to hunt these locations.

Part 2 The number one reason is construction. This could be any number of things, from someone planning to re-sod the area, to actually building on the site. This is the most drastic physical change that can happen to a location. This is also the condition that can produce the highest number of older finds! I can honestly say that this situation has resulted in my having twice found single coins worth more than the metal detector I was hunting with. I?ve cover this in most stories, so I will not go into it in detail in this one.

Part 3 Increases in moisture is the number two reason. This happens several times a year in most areas of the country. Where I had lived in the past (Wisconsin), we normally received snow each winter. Of course this snow meant frozen ground and no metal detecting. But once this snow melted, I was out looking for spots to hunt. This is what had brought me back to some of my hunted out sites. I had no luck finding other locations and had figured, Oh well, I'll check that old lot and see if it is thawed enough to dig. I remember being surprised at finding signals in areas that I know for a fact I had hunted to death. Now if the snow melt had allowed me to find deeper coins or if the frost coming out of the ground had caused the coins to be pushed up to the surface, I'll never really know. All I know is I was getting them. It made me wonder how I had missed these coins. After all this was the machine I used last year, and I believe I was better at operating it.

I will add more to this as time allows. This story is all hand written at work today. It covers such things as heavy rain, the critical extra inch of depth, increases in metal detecting proficiency, the stages of metal detecting, research and dating potential of your site, metal detector upgrades, common falsehoods and negative messages we are given (you will get a real hoot when i touch on some of what is being posted on other sites), making your own realistic dream list of coin types you can find. This article will make many rethink those hunted out sites.

Part 4 Heavy rains were another reason to get excited, and caused me to want to go detecting. I had now realized that this high moisture period would grant me that extra inch or so of depth. The extra inch is critical to getting those deeper older coins. An example of this situation comes to mind, I was at a location where an old brick house was torn down. Now I had hunted this spot to death in the past. The lot was full of trash and junk signals. The actual grass ended next to where the house once stood. I was hunting along with my MXT and received a weak, deep signal. This signal would not have been dug normally by me. But I decided to check it out anyhow. I must of dug down about 8-10 inches and found a 1940's Washington quarter. It seemed the coin was rather deep for its age. But looking back it was next to the edge of the house. Could it be the runoff from the roof helped this one sink deeper than if it had been lost in the middle of the yard?more heavy rain hunting later....

Part 4 B Another example was a grassy strip between the street and sidewalk. At this site, I received another deep, weak signal. I dug another silver coin. This one was a 1950's silver dime. Both of these example coins were in locations I had hunted several times before.

An Increase in Metal Detecting proficiency:
Part 5A
When we start our adventure in metal detecting. We reach certain stages in the hobby. First there is thinking about getting into the hobby, normally followed by the purchase of a metal detector. Sometimes there is a period of lag-time involved here. Mine was actually 13 years, from the seed was planted to purchase. Imagine all the stuff that could have been!Once the machine is in our hands the next stage is finding that first coin. Like most folks my first coin find was a grubby ate-up zinc cent. The next stage is what I call the (keeper stage), this is where the hobbyists finds their first old coin, be it silver, Indian head cent or even a ring. The next stage, really doesn't have any set name. it seems to be reached when the treasure hunter has made up their mind on what they want to focus on hunting for. There are many areas of focus: coin shooting, water/beach hunting, nugget hunting, Civil war relic hunting, cache hunting, bottle hunting the choices are almost endless.

Part 5 B Once this stage is reached, I believe most have also entered into some researching their area. This research work can cause one to return to a previously hunted site. Why, simply because our eyes are opened to the potential that the location has to offer. An example from my old home town of Lacrosse, Wisconsin would be 237 S 10 th Street, this is the location/site of the Martindale House, built in 1859-1860. Just think, I could possibly find my first Flying Eagle cent there! Another eye opening potential realization of a site, not really covered in the scope of this story. An example would be Jonesboro founded 1879; I can picture myself finding Key and semi-key date Indian head cents if I was to hunt there. Check your local library for pictorial history books, these are very helpful.


The Metal Detector Upgrade
The Metal Detector Upgrade: When I started hunting with that old Radio Shack detector, I was content from the time I found that first grubby zinc cent to that Dahlonega gold coin. I could have continued to hunt for many years with that machine. But at some point I had gotten a copy of the Red Book listing all those coins and the years they were produced. Seeing as how Lacrosse, Wisconsin was founded about 1850, I subtracted another 20-30 years and came to the conclusion that, I should be able to find coins dating back to the 1820's-1830's. So where were those large cents, half cents, the Flying Eagle cents, Bust coins? I had found a rare gold coin; the common gold coins should be a piece of cake!The only thing I could figure was they were closer to the original building sites of the founders of the city, and of course much deeper! I realized I needed more depth, and the MXT was purchased.

Detector Upgrade Part 2: At first, I was lead to believe, I would need time to learn the machine, the so-called learning curve. I had read this at other sites. Looking back terms like learning curve are negative messages given to us by others to explain why they are not having much success. A strong statement by me, but I've found many things being posted on the other sites that I totally disagree with. Another negative or piece of misinformation being posted out there is that old coins are not deeper than 4 inches. This particular one is caused by an individual who wants others to dig the shallow (junk) signals and leave the deeper, older more valuable items for them. There are others that I disagree with, and that is why I type these articles to help those new to the hobby. Also it is part of my metal detector upgrade experience.

Detector Upgrade Part 3 I had, as I have stated in a previous article/story a list of coin types that I was going to find. The detector upgrade helped me to get some of them. Some were deeper, but most of these new coin types were found for another reason. The reason was the MXT ran at a different frequency. It was better at lower reading targets. I discovered this by returning once more to a yard demo site that I was hunting for the start of my third season. I had gone to this site and started to practice with the MXT. The machine was new to me and I had only used it for a couple of hours (Some of those hours were inside, passing various coins and sample targets under the coil to see where they read. Items rang up pretty much the same as on the Radio Shack, but the MXT gave a V.D.I. reading). In no time I was digging Buffalo nickels. In one short hunt I had found several Buffalos. In re-hunting several of my old hunted out sites over the next 2-3 weeks, I found that 70%-80% of my keepers were Buffalo and Liberty nickels. They do read lower than modern nickels. My old sites were new again!

Metal Detector Upgrade Part 4 This ability of the MXT had helped me to find, within a one-year period of time, a total of 3 of those small nickel 3-cent pieces. This coin type is considered to be a very difficult find, due to its size and composition, it tends to read in the foil range. Another example of a detector upgrade find, happened in the same yard the MXT found those Buffalo nickels, but much later in the fall. I was hunting and received a positive, repeatable low-reading signal. I checked it out and dug my second gold ring. Sure the ring was small, but think about all the hours by me and other detectorists, spent walking over it! That yard was hunted when it under went construction/demo operations, Increases in moisture, my personal increases in proficiency, and it took a machine operating on a different frequency to find that small gold ring. That site was hunted to death for over 3 years, before it was found. So maybe some of your old hunt sites still hold some good finds. Later I will add a couple of pictures to this story.
 
Bottle Hunting

A Two Hole Out House and A Hand Pump For Water, We’s Rich!
A Two Hole Out House and A Hand Pump For Water, We’s Rich!Who would have ever thought that back in those days of being so poor, that we didn’t even realize it? That the adventure called life would lead down this path, to the point I find myself at today!Back then all we had was an old shack to live in and a 2-hole out house and a hand pump for water. We got better to live in now, but yet those types of places are the one’s I seek out. The original homesite is now gone. But the items we cast a-side back then as trash became the treasures of today. Some post of the out house being a place to find bottles and relics. Few ever mention the types of sites that are the real bonanza’s. This is the intro to my bottle hunting story.


The Two Hole Outhouse and a Hand Pump for Water Part 1
The Two Hole Outhouse and a Hand Pump for Water, we is rich! While mainly a relic and coin hunter, I had found intact bottles. Most times I came across colorful bits of glass, they were of various shades unlike the glass we have today. Later I had read this was due to the sun’s rays affecting the various chemicals that were used in making the glass. As I hunted the sites I preferred to spend my time at, on occasion an intact bottle would be spotted. Most times they were broken. But when I did notice a protruding neck of a bottle or the rounded side of a potential intact piece, I carefully worked the piece from the ground over time I had some interesting pieces. These occasional finds, I was to learn were due to the fact that back in the past, the areas I hunted did not have sewage systems or trash pick up. These were the days of the outhouse!


The Two Hole Outhouse Part 2
Every home and business in town had somewhere for folks to make nature’s call. The outhouse was located close, sometimes they planted lilac bushes to limit the odors and camouflage. Some where even inside other small out buildings. The businesses often had facilities located on a back corner of the lot, or even in the basement. When the outhouse had reached its storage capacity, it was simply slide over a freshly dug hole and the old hole was filled in. So what’s all this got to do with bottles and treasure?


The Two Hole Outhouse Part 3
It is simple, these locations were the best places to discard trash. After all the hole would be filled in, it was close and the unsightly trash took care of in the process. On occasion folks even dropped items by accident and left them there on purpose, imagine that!So whether they threw it in, or dropped it knowingly or unknowingly, the outhouse filled with what became collectible, highly sought items.


The Two Hole Outhouse Part 4

Locating these old outhouses can be accomplished by seeing the ones still standing and by looking for lilac bushes. If nothing is visible then look for depressions in the area. Sometimes a series or row of depressions indicates a possible outhouse location from the past. Metal detectors can sometimes locate the presence of the metal objects that where tossed in them. Otherwise, the old method of probing the area to see if the ground is softer does work. A seasoned bottle digger is able to tell by feel if he is hitting a rock or the glass side of a bottle. It is also said the real pro’s can determine if the tip of the probe has just gone thru newspaper. This outhouse is up at Cook City, Montana an area where gold was discovered. Much awaits the diligent searcher here.


The Two Hole Outhouse Part 5
Demo sites often expose broken or intact bottles as well as other metal objects that were discarded in the past. Often when contractors are digging the foundations for a new building, they expose old outhouse pits. One I remember back in LaCrosse, Wisconsin, was at the corner of 6th and Main Streets, they had dug the trench and the workers had exposed an old pit. They had taken the visible bottles, poke around a bit and left for the day. After their shift, mine began, I found the evidence of the old pit, and scanned my detector. I spent a good portion of the evening picking thru the glass, bottles and metal targets. I had my heart set on finding an old coin that might have been dropped down the commode, but it was not to be. Take the time to check these locations out. Valuables are there for the informed seeker.


The Two Hole Outhouse Part 6
My personal best site for bottles happened to be back in LaCrosse, Wisconsin. There was a location on a back slew of the Mississippi River. It was just SW of what is now Lutheran Hospital. There happens to be a trail that one can take to reach this area. You will know you are there when you see some docks for securing fishing boats. There will also be a high wooded bank steeply dropping down to the water. This area was once known as Hungry Point. In the past it was an ethnic neighborhood, the families that lived there were from Bohemia and they tossed their refuse down the steep banks. I discovered this site due to having done lawn work for an old landlord. I had always noticed broken glass in the area. There were many broken bottles, some were very old. The smaller ones were often found intact. The cosmetic and perfume ones were in abundance, the large booze, whiskey and bitters were always smashed. I had found a small blue bromoseltzer bottle in some tree roots and managed to free it intact. All of those large broken bottles, where were the intact ones? Continue ….


The Two Hole Outhouse Part 7
One sunny day I was on the landlords boat dock and the water was real low. I looked down and there was an intact bottle. I reached down and picked it out of the water. I held up a light green blob-top. It was from the Cherokee Bottling Works, located in Cherokee, Iowa. I never did find out much about the maker of the bottle. It was about 8 ? inches tall and flawless. It actually did have flaws, but the flaws it had were the ones that made it flawless. It had no chips or cracks, it had bubbles and other imperfections that collectors prize. It had laid at an angle on the bottle for 100 years, maybe more. This was evident by how thick the glass was on one side and how thin it was on the other. Later I was to learn that glass is like a plastic and flows over time.


The Two Hole Outhouse Part 8
I spent many days wading this shallow water on sunny days, with a 5-gallon bucket picking old bottles. Remember to keep the sun on your back, this helps to spot those bottles under the water. I picked many buckets of bottles and even though most were not valuable they sold well in my rummage sale. I imagine that summer of bottle hunting I had only plucked the surface ones, the constant shifting of the Mississippi River sands must reveal other old bottles each year. If you live close to this location and love old bottles check this spot out.



Michigan Bottle Dump Bonanza
Right after getting out of the army, I was staying at my brothers in Upper Michigan. He was into old bottles and collectibles. He had a special spot to get them. Across the road from his home was a steep ravine where he spent years raking and digging. He had collected thousands of old bottles and vintage toys. It seemed that the locals head used the ravine for over 100 years to discard items. The site was forgotten and untouched.


The Two Hole Outhouse
My brother showed me old vintage toys and hundreds of bottles. He sold many to various shops that dealt in these items. He had dug so many bottles that his garage was full and he had to build 3 extra storage sheds. Several of his higher valued bottles he displayed on his fireplace mantle. He told me there were so many books on bottle values that he did not have them all, and even then they did not cover everything.


The Two Hole Outhouse
Every once in a while, I call my brother and we discuss the bottle hunting. He has told me of his finding some old Liberty nickels, now bear in mind he does not own a metal detector. I’m sure this one site has added several thousand of dollars to my brother’s bank account. Having seen the location myself, I feel it is safe to say he is most likely still digging it out! It is a good spot, there is not doubt of that, it has been 24 years since I got out of the army. He gets to bottle hunt all by himself at his personal “Michigan Bottle Dump Bonanza!”


The Two Hole Outhouse and a Hand Pump for Water, We’s Rich! Many treasures lie in the ground we walk over today. Some are just over the edge of the gully at your grandparent’s old farm. Others lie under the rushing streams and rivers all across our country. They’re there to be found if we take the time to look for them. Good Luck and Happy Hunting in your search.
 
Night Hunting


Night Hunting
This article is for those who want to try to do some night hunting and make some great finds while doing so.

Night Hunting
After discovering certain locations such as sidewalk replacements and house demo sites, held some great finds. I had decided to focus on those areas for the majority of the time I put into metal detecting. The number one draw back to hunting these locations was: 1. Permission, this tending to not be given for one major reason that being liability. This was due to the fact that the crews were using heavy equipment most of the time. They just did not relish the idea of watching over their shoulder's for folks poking around in the dirt. Those who try to detect while these crews are working are foolish and also not helping the image of the hobby. After getting to know those in charge of these projects and developing a friendship, they realized that i was one, who respected their wishes to stay out of harms way. They were fine with my wanting to metal detect the locations, but only after their work day was finished. So permission was granted and I was lucky to have many great hunt sites.


At the time when i was doing all that night hunting back in Wisconsin, i happened to be working a 2nd shift job in a warehouse. The town i lived in dated back to the 1850's, and seemed to have had 20,000-30,000 residents for most of the late 1800's. This meant there were thousands of dropped coins, tokens and many other highly prized items to find. Now the reason i focused on those side walk and house demo sites, was very simple, the sidewalks were the main foot traffic areas for decades, and a shaved down yard was easy pickings for that $200 Radio Shack detector i owned at the time.


Well, now i've covered the type of area i hunted, a mid-sized midwestern city with some history to it. I did not hunt city parks at night, that would of only been a problem due to digging in a well-kept grassy area. Imagine the holes folks would of seen come daylight. The areas i mentioned had no grass to get damaged. There was only dirt, and much of it was moved around daily. Digging was simple, you could make any size hole you needed, just kick the dirt back in when you retrieved the target. The only time i did not hunt a side walk demo site, was once the surface was prepared for the concrete to be poured the next day. This is only common sense, respect the work of those construction crews. Follow these suggestions on hunting these sites, and you might find that night hunting can be very rewarding. Next the equipment i used, and what i consider to be all one needs to have a productive hunt.


The Equipment
Now back then I used a low-end metal detector. It was made by Bounty Hunter for Radio Shack. It cost about $200 at the time of purchase. I believe it was known as the "Land Star" at that time. But now there appears to be another model using this name. Either way, they will both work for this style of hunting. The model I used had, All-Metal, Notch, and Auto-Notch features. I turned the sensitivity up as high as the ground conditions would allow. If it was too erratic than i lowered it a might. The discrimation was turned real low, well below accepting nickle. Looking back, I most likely ran the discrimation too high. Now this detector had a indicator that would point in different areas, iron, nickle/pull-tab, screwcap, zinc penny, penny, dime, quarter, half, dollar. But that did me no good with my night hunting, for i did not use a light at all. I went by sound when digging my targets, there were three different pitch sounds given off by the machine. Also i used headphones, this helped to hear the signals and lessened the chance of drawing unwanted attention. The unwanted attention could be anything from a drunk person, to a dog in someones yards. Nothing is so irritating when hunting a good location, then to have to leave because the dog is bound and determined to wake the whole neighborhood.



The Sounds of Targets This section will be about the types of sounds different targets produced, and those i choose to dig.


Other things to cover!
Weather conditions such as a good rain. Concrete forms and rebar rods. dd coils, Free's Mxt upgrade and relic mode hunting. This post and the one above it will be moved lower in the order of presentation. I just wanted the reminder for myself to mention these things.

Other Metal Detectors
Now, i also used a couple of other models of metal detectors. There was a Bounty Hunter model produced for Wal-Mart. It had a needle gauge that seemed to fly to the right on just about everything, it also gave only one tone if I remember correctly. It could also be used to hunt at night, but one would have to dig ever signal. This kind of machine can be a real pain to hunt with, but in theory the chances of missing a real good low reading target are slim, but like i said, one has to dig everything. Many start out with this kind of detector, so to enjoy the hobby and reap the rewards of some good finds, hunt those sidewalk demos and shaved down house yards. My best with this model, was an 1887 seated dime.


The MXT Upgrade and Night Hunting
This metal detector, used for night hunting, combined with a DD coil, i found to be a great machine for night hunting. But it had to be used in relic mode. The coin mode even for day hunting, i found took much of the enjoyment out of metal detecting for me. In coin mode too much of my time was spent looking down at the meter, which did not light up for night hunting, this also tended to cause a sore neck. So switch it to relic mode. In relic it produced two tones, one low for iron, and a high tone for anything else. During my night hunts in relic mode with headphones, I could keep a eye out for people walking home drunk from bars, dogs or any other unpleasant surprises. The basic settings for the MXT for night hunting are relic mode, Gain as high as the ground conditions allow, Dual Control (Discrimation) about a 2, which should allow you to pick up those Liberty and Shield nickles. Any detector that gives muti-tones would be a plus for night hunting.

What Else to Carry
The things i used were headphones for various reasons, keep the noise down, pro-long battery life, eliminate traffic noise. Digging tool, just a study trowel and a shovel in the trunk of my car. (The shovel will covered later in the ground conditions section). Finds bag/pouch, mine was a marble bag. I found a marble bag worked well for a couple of reasons. One was it was deeper and had a draw string, this insured that my finds were still in the bag after the hunt. Other items to carry are up to who ever is doing the hunting. I never had a good tool type belt to place my pinpointer, so that is why i never really depended on one. Water bottle and those little extras i had in the car. I found just carrying what was needed for the moment work the best for me.


Ground Conditions
The ground conditions in various parts of the United States vary considerably. There is no set answer, how deep older coins can be found. In the mid-west where I was from, the fall leaves and decaying grass create new layers of top soil. If one sees a shaved yard in day-light in the midwest, they would notice looking at the edge of the project, where the cut was made, that down a couple of inches is a layer of darker dirt. This darker dirt is what i always looked for, it held the older items. Some areas on the other hand such as the sidewalk replacements, had fill dirt or sand poured over them before the walk was poured in the past. At other times, i have found older coins right on top exposed to the air after an old cracked side walk was removed. The best bet to finding this payoff layer in whatever area you hunt is to, dig all targets until you start to find old square nails and old scraps of brass. This trash from the past, lets you know you are hunting the correct layer to find older coins.


The Shovel
Remember that shovel in the trunk of my car? Mine had come in handy on several occasions. I was hunting this side walk tear up area and one night we had a heavy down pour. The rain had fallen on a blacktop parking lot and ran off in the direction that caused it to wash away a section of of the exposed soil under the removed side walk. It must of cut away at least a foot of soil in several spots. I swung my coil in these areas and in most of them dug deeper coins. It was then that i first discovered the thinner even older cement walk that existed before the one the city had removed. This section actually had 3 different sidewalks, all placed above the previous one. Seeing as how they were redoing the whole area, I took my shovel and scraped the top layers off and found several Liberty nickles. Of couse i also replaced the moved soil, so no one sprained an ankle. Sometimes spreading this older dirt around and then scanning it will allow one to get that extra coin or two. Hard work, but when they are the old ones i think it is worth it.


The Scouting Report
This is about night hunting, but there are certain things one can do during the daytime that are hard to do during the hours of darkness. Finding those locations where the good finds lay is important. By driving around to work, appointments and shopping, I always took a sightly diiferent way each time. I was finding where the sidewalk replacement projects where at. Those barricades set up, to block off a section of walk, were what i was looking for. I made note of them and returned to hunt them, after those work crews were finished for the day. There were other signs that a section was due to be worked on in the future. I made mental note of sections of walk that were buckled up and had been spray-painted. These were to be worked on soon too.


The Scouting Report Part 2
Old yards hold many good finds, if they are old, then they tend to be deep. House demo sites are great locations if they are removing the original house to build a new one there. Sometimes they remove several houses in a row to build a large apartment complex. If these locations are in a older part of your home town, so much the better, this means more time swinging the coil. These sites can be spotted before the work ever gets underway. Look for condemned signs on the house/houses. Also look for boarded up windows and doors, in time these will be most-likely coming down. Check local newpapers for stories of construction projects and other items such as the house that caught fire and suffered major damage. Drive by these locations and keep an eye out for when they are prime for hunting. If after removing the debris, they shave the top of the soil off, then any low cost metal detector can make great finds. These are nice spots for night hunting.


Weather Conditions The best times to hunt are right after a good rain, the heavier the better! There are several reasons for this:


Hunting after a heavy rain.
It seems from my experience that hunting after the ground is saturated from a heavy rain, that one can receive signals that are deeper than when the ground is dry. Of course, we can get a bit muddy, but if that stopped us, one would not be interested in metal detecting. I have dug coins as deep as 10 inches in wet soil. It also seemed to me that small pieces of brass tended to be detected more often in these wet soil conditions. Also digging a target is much easier than when the ground is sun-baked and dry.


I just have to finish this one and then post some pictures and it is ready. I got the ending all hand written. Problem is before i finish a story, i start another one.


The Sounds of Signals
As mentioned earlier, I am covering 2 different types of metal detectors. The first was a machine much like the White?s MXT which in relic mode produces 2 tones, low for iron and a higher tone for any target that is non-iron. The other type of metal detector, I am covering is a low-cost multi-tone unit. An example is the Bounty Hunter Land Star. With these multi-tone units, learn the various tones produced by various targets. Iron will produce one (low) tone. Foil-nickel-pull tabs will produce another slightly higher tone. Coins such as dimes, quarters, and halves will produce a higher tone. These various tones will vary with the make and model of your machine. The tones will be important once you learn what your machine is telling you. The best way to learn the sounds of old coins is to scan samples of these older coins to see what tone your machine wants to emit. But if you do not have any older coin types, I will be working on this in my other article entitled, Does Your Metal Detector Lie??


Hunting Style and Speed
Hunt how you want, never rush when hunting. Moving too fast, we miss covering an area well, we also loose depth. Just use good basic detecting skills. A rusty object scanned too fast can give a good signal. Stopping to dig the target we can end up with a rusty bottle cap. A frustrating waste of time. Why rush, after all it has been laying there for many years, (enjoy the hunt). Good technique practiced when hunting combined with simple record keeping will in time, tell a story. The numbers of older interesting finds will increase. This simple fact proves the individual is making improvements in many areas. These will include: Hunt Site Selection, Interpretation of signals (knowing I better dig, it was a good one last time) and proper coil swing speed.


Other Little Tricks
When hunting cover the area going one direction, then from another. One can go right over a coin or token by only hunting in one direction. By covering the area from as many directions as possible you can get that last item or two in your finds pouch. This has worked for me many times over in the past. Give it a try and see if it works for you.
 
Coming Soon

The next post will be the story the "Pot Hunters!" So far I've come up with the title and an idea. It is taken from a true account of one of the biggest gold coin cache discoveries ever made in a state close to Delaware (sorry couldn't resist that one). ;)
 
Well the next post was suppose to be the story the "Pot Hunters", but an intesting post was made about "Earliest Memories." This I assume is about earliest experiences of metal detecting/treasure hunting. The post brought to mind my wanting to metal detect and not getting into the hobby till years later. Looking back at the places I have once lived at and realizing I could of metal detected close to Battlefields such as Franklin, Tenn or even in Germany during my time in the service. Or around Fort Bragg, North Carolina, where there were signs along the road telling of Cornwallis's march during the Revolutionary War. Those times and opportunities are gone for good now. But what does surprise me looking back at the treasure hunting books I use to read was the fact that later I did get started metal detecting. I also got to meet the author of those books, I asked him a question and got the shock of my life. more later ...
 
So I asked this famous author who had come over to my house to see my big find (gold coin), how many gold coins did you ever find? His answer was, ?None.? I was shocked, here he was, my treasure hunting idol for so many years. I read his books about his adventures and it was as if I was there with him. All his journeys thru the West, Arizona, you name it. I had never realized that he never found one himself. He then said he spent all that time hunting far away, and there was a gold coin to be found right in his hometown. The irony of it all is now I?m out West, and I like to write the stories of my hunts. I guess this hobby is contagious.
 
Horse Drawn Trolley Token

Here is the pictures of an old Trolley Token that I had found doing one of those sidewalk tear ups. I ended up getting three of these over the time I metal detected my old home town. Researching the token I discovered that the Rail Roads use to own the tolley system, and that they converted from horses to electric power in 1895. They are collectible so if you find any you should get a good price if you choose to part with them.
 

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Here I have been posting pictures of non-coin finds. The reason for this is simple, you will find that as we continue to hunt for those older coin types, we will discover many interesting and often times valuable items that were lost many years ago. So why not take the time to tell what they are and a bit about them? After all someone just might have a similar item and they do not know what it is. Plus this research of found items is yet another part of the hobby. Sometimes the mysteries are never solved and even then they make a good story. I believe I have a few more very collectable items to post yet.
 
Wouldn't it be a cool resource for us if we could come up with some sort of interactive map that would outline such available coinage. I'm going to try to see if there's anything like that online.. I'm sure there must be at least a map according to dates/age.
 
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