Coin-Saver
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From the Garrett Carrot to the Nokta Banana. What WILL they think of next?
Notka's two new detectors..
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Diga
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Minelab Mango?
The Accupoint has already went from the Nokta Banana to the Nokta Nana
Cherry Picker
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I wasn't really impressed with the performance of the "Banana". On the video, it looked like a max of 2". I do like the 360° detection, but the Carrot kills it in depth.
Personally, I think the discrimination on a pinpointer is worthless. If I have decided my detector says I should dig, I don't need my pinpointer to tell me the same thing. I have never ever had a need to turn my pinpointer down. I do like the USB charging.
Personally, I think the discrimination on a pinpointer is worthless. If I have decided my detector says I should dig, I don't need my pinpointer to tell me the same thing. I have never ever had a need to turn my pinpointer down. I do like the USB charging.
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Diga
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He said the following in the comments:
In every pinpointer depth test I've seen, the tester does not test with the coin or ring on edge, like how the ring is on edge in the video. A pinpointer will detect a flat facing coin or ring 2x-3x deeper compared to them being tested on edge.
I also have no need for a ferrous discriminating feature, but I was surprised at just how many wanted that feature.
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Cherry Picker
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In the video, it shows him going into the setting and sensitivity and it is at the default level. Two from the top which looked to be yellow then red and the other levels were green. As in the top two options could overload? Anyway, it was at the default level when he tested the ring, which is much thicker than a coin, at 2". I also have concerns about how easily he pulled the tip off. How long before you start losing the tip in the dirt?
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Diga
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Hmm. I was thinking the red might indicate such a high sensitivity that it might be prone to falsing and/or EMI.
I'm also wondering if the ferrous discrimination is used, then would some depth be lost on nonferrous targets? For example, as the signal strength decreases on any nonferrous target, it will eventually be identified as ferrous. So, when the ferrous discriminator is activated, a nonferrous target may be ignored if it's at the fringe of detection depth. Although, I suspect the depth loss (if any) would be marginal.
Cherry Picker
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Sounds possible. I have yet to ever have EMI issues with a pinpointer, but maybe at a really high sensitivity, it could.
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I will say my Carrot didn't play well with my Simplex+. Out of all the detectors and pointers I have used, the only issues I had were with the carrot & Simplex+. I had to ALWAYS use frequency shift to lower the interference.
AccurateCalls
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Just goes to show how much one's personal hunting conditions can impact needs. I personally wouldn't consider a pinpointer that doesn't have discrimination. In my environment when I pop open a hole, most of them will also contain iron objects, nails, small bits of highly corroded iron that has been broken apart by the plows, etc. Having discrimination saves me a ton of time knowing which of the 5 detectable targets in the hole are ferrous and non-ferrous.
I have found the Profind 35 to have good false-positive characteristics too. E.g. It will sometimes call ferrous as non-ferrous, but it will never say ferrous when it is actually non-ferrous. So I can rely upon it to quickly open up a hole that I am unsure if its an iron-false from some large deep iron, and assess whether I want to keep digging deeper with the pinpointer.
Cherry Picker
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Why would you want to leave the ferrous junk in the same hole you just pulled a nonferrous? There could be more, but it might be masked by the junk now that you have the dirt open. If my detector tells me it is time to recover, I don't need a pinpointer to pick & choose what to leave or take from the hole.
I see it as the value of a can opener on a pinpointer. Yes, some people might find it useful, but I want a $40 Carrot myself. I don't care to spend $130 for what should be a simple device. I like the Bluetooth, I like the USB charging, other than that all I want is a simple pointer at a reasonable price. I have never EVER needed more than one sensitivity setting, as high as it will go, The vibration is nice, but not essential to me. No need for a display unless you have to make adjustments to your pinpointer. A simple turn on & off cheap pointer would be great. Like I said, a carrot with Bluetooth & charging would be a best seller.
I don't know what the price is of the "Banana" but I'm sure it is up there with the Carrot. Generally, Nokta has been the one to offer great metal detecting tools at a great price. Not that these features might be of value to some, just not for me. Next you'll need to ground balance your pinpointer LOL.
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AccurateCalls
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Where I detect, you can always dig down a little deeper and find more and more bits of iron. As you dug out one piece of iron, you would uncover another. You would spend your entire day chasing chunks of ground up iron. For the record these are farm fields that have been in use ever since iron refining made it to the region. If you tried to remove all the iron in a particular location, you wouldn't make it three steps in any direction into the field.
Also, removing the iron in the long term is pointless, because every year when the field is plowed, the ground gets shuffled and new non-ferrous targets appear. Granted, the more remote forests here that overlap with bronze age / iron age activity I dig all the iron signals. Needs depend upon where you search.
Dflan83
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Score and score more? Is that really the name of a machine?
metaladdict
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Double score.
