Fool
Senior Member
Yes i will post results and track what numbers i find things on. I dont have any "hunted out" spots to test because this is my first year hunting, but i will put my time in.
My Equinox 800 Take (Tests and Commentary)
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Yes i will post results and track what numbers i find things on. I dont have any "hunted out" spots to test because this is my first year hunting, but i will put my time in.
Your opinion is valued here just as much as anyone else's.
I mean this here big time.
We all started detecting at one time or another.
Fool
Senior Member
thanks that means alot! I can definitely give the opinions and results of a newbie lol
Yes sir.
And you may not believe this.
Minelab is reading here.
And they want to know newbies thoughts too.
This info can be used to make a better detector in the future.
It is just not about old timer detectorist.
Trashfinder
Forum Supporter
Nice posts TN! Can't wait to get back out again with mine.
Thanks.
Very time consuming.
For instance
When neither HF coil would detect nonferrous period.
When this would happen, I redid test 3 times to be sure.
Don 't want to give false info.
You watch, we will hear similar stories soon.
I can hear it know.
Nox runner busts a signal. Deus LF coil user sweeps and is SOL. There will be others running other models SOL too.
Sounds bold don't it.
Well, it's the truth.
Btw, look down in my signature line.
There are 3 of them.
Now, folks don't take this all wrong. It can work the other way too. Another person running Deus or another model may get a signal and the Nox runner sweeps and is SOL.
Really why I have posted a lot of what I have here.
Deus commands a lot of respect.
It is the supposed gold standard.
So I measured Nox against this supposed gold standard.
IMO, we now have 2 gold standards. Deus and Nox. And throw in Xp Goldmaxx
Power too- unit not licensed to be sold in USA.
Trashfinder
Forum Supporter
All i can say is your posts are spot on! And the Nox is REAL and will have a big impact on the market no doubt. Honestly i still can't get over what it can do with an eleven inch coil in trash vs my Impact with small coil, which i thought was pretty unbeatable in extreme trash along with the Deus. But there is another Contender! And with a 6 inch coil i cannot see how it will not dominate the trashy sites! I am just going to go ahead and crown it King with 6 inch coil!
I have been thinking about that.
Funny thing is some folks have threw Nox under the bus. And haven't even seen any smallest coil reports.
I can only imagine what it will do.
I also think the iron bias setting will come into play using it more than it does with stocker coil.
May have to be used to tame the Nox a bit in iron.
Just a guess.
Trashfinder
Forum Supporter
I was one of the skeptical ones! I under estimated multi IQ! I can't think of anything better to say than find a buddy that has one or a dealer who demonstrates them and see for yourself. If you are an experienced detecting person who has tried many different machines to hunt trashy spots and pull the goods this is a very good machine to own. It also has appeal for other types of hunting that i do not do, but for me and where i mostly hunt this is a great asset! Bottom line it is as good with 11 inch coil as anything i have ever owned even using small 5 inch coils to sift through trashy sites, and that is saying something as many as i have owned!
I only had to take Nox to 3 places and spend 30 minutes approximately (even as a green horn Noxer) and I had a pretty good idea what it was as far as performing in iron and trash.(Attributable to ease of set up and running)
Then did a few test elevated above ground.
After that I was for sure.
Then the hunt yesterday drove the nail through the coffin.
I don't think folks realize when I say I hunted w place out what the means when I say. It means I have hunted, and hunted and hunted. Lots of hunts produced zero finds too. So when I go back to these with a new detector, I can gauge.
Way too many reports of successful hunts in spots folks have put a lot of pressure on.
Too many not to mean something.
Not a perfect detector, but close enough- for what it cost and what accessories come with it.
Then did a few test elevated above ground.
After that I was for sure.
Then the hunt yesterday drove the nail through the coffin.
I don't think folks realize when I say I hunted w place out what the means when I say. It means I have hunted, and hunted and hunted. Lots of hunts produced zero finds too. So when I go back to these with a new detector, I can gauge.
Way too many reports of successful hunts in spots folks have put a lot of pressure on.
Too many not to mean something.
Not a perfect detector, but close enough- for what it cost and what accessories come with it.
Donsell
Forum Supporter
I'm curious on your thoughts now that you've had some time with the 800 TNSS,
If you were advising someone who wants to focus on finding silver largely in previously hunted parks, which machine, ignoring the price difference, would you recommend? The Nox or the Etrac?
I feel like I did well with the Rutus last year. But wouldn't mind picking up a machine that works on multiple frequencies simultaneously if it'll be of benefit.
If you were advising someone who wants to focus on finding silver largely in previously hunted parks, which machine, ignoring the price difference, would you recommend? The Nox or the Etrac?
I feel like I did well with the Rutus last year. But wouldn't mind picking up a machine that works on multiple frequencies simultaneously if it'll be of benefit.
Would depend on each park setting really.
A cleaner park, no brainier Etrac.
A more polluted park, I would lean Equinox.
But the above comments, I could change maybe.
Why?
Need to have the biggest coil for Nox and see how it does as far as depth. And is the ID of targets deeper improved using Equinox.
Here's one to throw out here. Folks might not believe this. Could Equinox wearing the biggest coil out separate or unmask better than Etrac wearing stock coil?? This may be a stretch, buy we need to see. Might be closer than we think.
Iron bias
Here is one test.
Clad dime and old square nail (seems doesn't have a head).
Park 2 factory disc. Speed 6 iron bias 0.
Down the nail barrel sweeps, get tone both ways, one direction shorter than the other tonally. (Right to left sweep has shorter tone)
Turn iron bias to level 1, still get tone both ways, but in one direction barely discernable (Right to left sweep is shorter)
Turn iron bias to levels 2, 3 and 4 all you get is trailing tone as coil is swept left to right.
Turn iron bias to level 5, dime goes by by- Notta
Testing was done with some coil height too.
Another test.
Clad dime with nails turned (the easy way) for detection of dime.
Again park 2 factory disc speed 6.
Iron bias 0 gives good signal.
Iron bias as it is increased tone provided gets slightly more and more short (forced sounding)
I can detect dime 2 way sweeps with tone up to level 4 iron bias setting,
Level 5 iron bias. Two way sweep tone goes away.
This test also done with some coil height.
Now some here maybe thinking, can I speed up Equinox and gain all or part of what's lost with higher iron bias. You will likely never gain all, very possible to get a smidge back tonally though by speeding up. But remember higher speed means less depth. And speeding up can bring shorter tones (harder to decipher).
Iron bias setting, one might think it just affects Equinox performance around nails and iron. Is this so?
According to my test, nope.
Another test with pic.
You see the clad dime and pull ring and tab on both ends.
Park 2 speed 7 iron bias 0 I get this dime good tonally.
If I dial iron bias to max 9 setting, Equinox ability tone wise gets cramped. Dime can be heard but remember I know the dime is there.
Tonally transition is compromised when coil comes over lower conductors here and approaches dime.
I won't go into more detail here with additional settings and outcomes.
Iron bias doesn't seem to affect Equinox with Equivalamt settings wise when comparing nonferrous coin and say lower conductive junk object as much vs a nonferrous coin and iron..
Here is one test.
Clad dime and old square nail (seems doesn't have a head).
Park 2 factory disc. Speed 6 iron bias 0.
Down the nail barrel sweeps, get tone both ways, one direction shorter than the other tonally. (Right to left sweep has shorter tone)
Turn iron bias to level 1, still get tone both ways, but in one direction barely discernable (Right to left sweep is shorter)
Turn iron bias to levels 2, 3 and 4 all you get is trailing tone as coil is swept left to right.
Turn iron bias to level 5, dime goes by by- Notta
Testing was done with some coil height too.
Another test.
Clad dime with nails turned (the easy way) for detection of dime.
Again park 2 factory disc speed 6.
Iron bias 0 gives good signal.
Iron bias as it is increased tone provided gets slightly more and more short (forced sounding)
I can detect dime 2 way sweeps with tone up to level 4 iron bias setting,
Level 5 iron bias. Two way sweep tone goes away.
This test also done with some coil height.
Now some here maybe thinking, can I speed up Equinox and gain all or part of what's lost with higher iron bias. You will likely never gain all, very possible to get a smidge back tonally though by speeding up. But remember higher speed means less depth. And speeding up can bring shorter tones (harder to decipher).
Iron bias setting, one might think it just affects Equinox performance around nails and iron. Is this so?
According to my test, nope.
Another test with pic.
You see the clad dime and pull ring and tab on both ends.
Park 2 speed 7 iron bias 0 I get this dime good tonally.
If I dial iron bias to max 9 setting, Equinox ability tone wise gets cramped. Dime can be heard but remember I know the dime is there.
Tonally transition is compromised when coil comes over lower conductors here and approaches dime.
I won't go into more detail here with additional settings and outcomes.
Iron bias doesn't seem to affect Equinox with Equivalamt settings wise when comparing nonferrous coin and say lower conductive junk object as much vs a nonferrous coin and iron..
detectorben
Elite Member
So what I gathered from your latest tests is that turning the iron bias up doesn't seem to help clean up the signals in trashy conditions. Is that correct or did I misinterpret your results?
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Didin't seem to.
detectorben
Elite Member
Interesting. I wonder if there will be a scenario where one would want to increase the iron bias??
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Longhair
Elite Member
Possibly in ore laden ground? I suspect that where the mineralization is more magnetic than conductive it may be useful.
Equinox detector seems to do something very unusual for VLF detector.
Seems even on real challenged targets where ferrous is making it harder for detectors to actually detect, Equinox not only detects but IDs accurately the nonferrous object.
Almost like the ferrous component is being removed from signal.
Equinox far from acting like Deus here in these types of scenarios.
IMO definitely allows a person to pick and choose what they want to dig. Especially in sites older where modern history nonferrous trash also exists.
I am finding using 800 model, speed 7 is it seems really allowing Nox to sniff the goodies out of iron.
Seems even on real challenged targets where ferrous is making it harder for detectors to actually detect, Equinox not only detects but IDs accurately the nonferrous object.
Almost like the ferrous component is being removed from signal.
Equinox far from acting like Deus here in these types of scenarios.
IMO definitely allows a person to pick and choose what they want to dig. Especially in sites older where modern history nonferrous trash also exists.
I am finding using 800 model, speed 7 is it seems really allowing Nox to sniff the goodies out of iron.
detectorben
Elite Member
TN what kind of depth are you seeing at speed 7? Many users have reported very low depth capabilities at 6 or 7 speed. Have you done any tests to see how much depth loss you are seeing at higher speeds? I know it will vary depending on ones soil but just trying to gather info on this subject before I get back out with my 800.
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