Timijay
Junior Member
Looks good. Great size it seems. I wonder what the bottom section that looks like a combination of a Depth Sounder Graph and an ECG does. Any ideas?
Minelab Manticore
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Looks good. Great size it seems. I wonder what the bottom section that looks like a combination of a Depth Sounder Graph and an ECG does. Any ideas?
Rattlehead
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Looks like a FBS style discrimination pattern to me.
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IDXMonster
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In all seriousness and with no disrespect to anyone…WHY are the same 3-5 people testing out all these new machines? That’s something I haven’t understood in quite some time. It simply starts to look like “something else” is going on, which, in turn, starts to cast doubt on the validity or true nature of the testing. Why not give one to Joe Blo just out of the blue and see what he can do with it? We all have hammered parks and schools we can test these things at, there’s no shortage of alternate possibilities as far as testers go. But…here we are yet a-f*cking-gain. So what is actually happening? Are people on the horn nonstop saying “please send me a machine” 1,000 times until the company concedes? Are these same 3-5 people so revered by the main metal detector producers that they are an automatic shoe-in for any new machine? What this repetitive scenario makes things look like is that these same 3-5 people are THE definitive authorities on testing new metal detectors. I see the same thing in Europe….new machine coming along, same people have one in advance. Personally, for me it’s nothing short of confounding. I simply don’t understand why these manufacturers are limiting themselves to the same few opinions, when the greater detecting community has many other options to offer.
None of us know what this new machine is about yet. But to advertise “deeper”, “faster” and “more accurate” all in one breathe is really hanging the balls way out there. To further state via printing on the controller that it is still a “multiIQ” platform makes me scratch my head even more vigorously. Unless they did something RADICAL with the coil itself, I have NO idea how they are going to achieve ANY of that. I see the mini smart screen which is neat-o…but if it’s only going to offer the jumpy inaccuracy of the EQX multiIQ of yore, it’s not exactly an improvement. Two wrongs don’t make a right, but 3 rights do make a left…which is where this appears to be going.
I know people love their EQX’s, use what you love and enjoy the success had with it. But what exactly IS this new thing? People besides the usual 3-5 testers would like to know before we take the old and expected leap of faith, only to wind up with the same recycled nonsense.
None of us know what this new machine is about yet. But to advertise “deeper”, “faster” and “more accurate” all in one breathe is really hanging the balls way out there. To further state via printing on the controller that it is still a “multiIQ” platform makes me scratch my head even more vigorously. Unless they did something RADICAL with the coil itself, I have NO idea how they are going to achieve ANY of that. I see the mini smart screen which is neat-o…but if it’s only going to offer the jumpy inaccuracy of the EQX multiIQ of yore, it’s not exactly an improvement. Two wrongs don’t make a right, but 3 rights do make a left…which is where this appears to be going.
I know people love their EQX’s, use what you love and enjoy the success had with it. But what exactly IS this new thing? People besides the usual 3-5 testers would like to know before we take the old and expected leap of faith, only to wind up with the same recycled nonsense.
GeoW
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This machine is looking more like a machine highly specialized in separation...
Separation of potential owners from their money.
Separation of potential owners from their money.
I will say this.........If this new Minelab is better than the Equinox in every possible way........fantastic. Hopefully TNSS will be able to let us know in the near future.
Deus 2 is certainly not better in every possible way right now than Deus 1. I have reported about it as have other gold prospectors. Anyone that has found small gold with a Deus 2 using FMF Goldfield has also reported that the find was made basically on the surface. XP have got to fix Deus 2 Goldfield for gold prospecting or just get rid of that program completely. Deus 2 Mono beats Deus 2 goldfield by INCHES on the same sub gram gold nugget targets.
IDXMonster, from those same 3 to 5 testers of Deus 2 related to what I just mentioned....basically crickets.
From some closeups I have seen, the mounting ears appear to be on the lower shaft.
Timijay
Junior Member
Hmm maybe they have gone full band on this one.
Timijay
Junior Member
Looks like it might be earless. Possible some type of socket joint?
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AccurateCalls
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Timijay
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Agreed
Cherry Picker
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FBS would be great. I still think my deepest and best cherry-picker is the E-Trac.
All I ever asked is for Minelab to put a faster processor in the E-Trac and they'd have a best seller. And lose some weight of course LOL.
All I ever asked is for Minelab to put a faster processor in the E-Trac and they'd have a best seller. And lose some weight of course LOL.
AccurateCalls
Senior Member
The branding of "Multi IQ: High Power SMF", makes me think it's a 2nd iteration on the same tech in the Equinox 800, probably not FBS.
I genuinely love swinging the Equinox, their processed pitch-matched TID scheme (not sure any of the big youtube testers ever really picked up on and conceptualized this in a useful way) really jived with me over the averaged more "stable" TID of the Deus II.
If they can keep that same information enriched TID processing on the Equinox 800 with the Manticore and an easy to see screen, then my Deus II might be relegated to when lightweight / travel is important.
cellrdwellr
Elite Member
IMO, this is an upgraded Equinox. It yields multi-iq, not FBS, FBS2, or BBS, so I would bank on it having similar performance to the equinox. It appears they addressed the faulty coil ear design, but failed to improve the balance. This of course is all speculation and I could be 100% wrong, but they should have learned from Garrett, repackaged old tech has a very limited market, anyone with experience knows it's probably still the same engine with a fancier exterior...
This just applies to Equinox.
Have folks been missing targets (higher conductors) ((unsuspecting)) using Equinox?
Have folks been missing lower conductors (( unsuspecting)) with Equinox?
The answer to both questions above is YES.
Goes for me too.
Have folks been missing targets (higher conductors) ((unsuspecting)) using Equinox?
Have folks been missing lower conductors (( unsuspecting)) with Equinox?
The answer to both questions above is YES.
Goes for me too.
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AccurateCalls
Senior Member
I honestly don't understand why people give so much weight to other people's poorly designed and poorly executed tests when anybody can lay down a cardboard box and do the same exact thing... There isn't really any skill involved in pulling one of these tests out thin air and swinging the detector over it and then wildly jumping to a conclusion.
(What I think Minelab, XP and Nokta are actually after, is the final step of their process, which is to jump to an absolute conclusion like "Detector X is the greatest thing of all time!" and then make 1000 videos about it in which they state it over and over and endlessly argue with anybody who got different results from a similarly poorly designed and poorly executed test.)
Don't get me wrong, I encourage everybody to do their own testing of that sort. It is a good way to get a baseline sense of how a detector might behave in a given situation, but it's the asserting of strong conclusions from weak tests that I take issue with. But Minelab, Nokta, and XP are after the people who proclaim strong conclusions, because it generates controversy and in the modern world controversy means clicks and views and discussions, and eventually sales.
I know that is how I select people to distribute free copies of my products for marketing purposes. Audience + opinionated = potential for lots of influence.
Interesting! At least we know why someone was posting about an earless coil. Was trying to let Minelabs Gato out of the bag before they did if he is a tester.
I once did a yard test vid of a Whites TRX pinpointer smoking all the competition on thin gold chains. But you know what? I still haven't found a thin gold chain at a beach with a TRX pinpointer
Metal detecting has been being done on more of a go no-go thingy. Are there some shades of grey we have been missing (not afforded to)?
Could part of this shades of grey if utilized help us?
Just maybe.
What do we know about a detecting situation per target (things heard while sweeping) ? Using current machines.
Think about that.
You folks with CTXs.
You will be able to shed light here I believe.
Eventually. May take a while though. Depending.
Even those with Etrac. Can weigh in too.
It will all be interesting.
Could part of this shades of grey if utilized help us?
Just maybe.
What do we know about a detecting situation per target (things heard while sweeping) ? Using current machines.
Think about that.
You folks with CTXs.
You will be able to shed light here I believe.
Eventually. May take a while though. Depending.
Even those with Etrac. Can weigh in too.
It will all be interesting.
