"Help me learn to hunt" requests. How to handle?

You have placed yourself out there, your choice, in front of many individuals that are new to the hobby and if you do in fact get many PM's and emails requesting your help and I'm not saying that you don't, perhaps you should be a little humbled to know that you have aspired so many people wanting to be as good as you. It's isn't always easy to ask for help or put yourself out there in a situation where you can be rejected.

  • All of us have so little time to enjoy our hobby with busy lives.
This is why so many of us spend our time sharing what we know and helping each other learn the hobby here on the forums and or websites/blogs.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, All of the other bullet points are nice when you and another enthusiast have taken the time to invest into the hobby and neither of you expect anything from the other, except to detect together and share that comradeship.

I would like to believe that if one would spend just time helping out a fellow human being and pointing them in the right directions to become as proficient as you, yes, I know that can take an extended amount of energy and time. This could pay you back in the long run with yet another experienced metal detecting enthusiast and open even more doors of opportunity for yourself and others.

You can be the selfish W.C Fields of our hobby;

Or you can be the giving human being that pays it forward and stands as an inspiration to those who come after you in this hobby.

A good point that it can pay off in the long run to help people out. My frantic hunting in the 2-3 hour blocks I have cause me to take a more short-term mindset. This is the type of dialogue I was hoping for.
 
Just think of as you are setting others on the right path, to help protect your interests. The more people you get started, there will be more people out there to guide others through the initial rough spots. The people you just helped, are still new to the hobby, something more closely in common, with someone who just bought their first detector. You can talk and read all you want, but you don't start really learning, until you get out and start digging. I don't think sacrificing an hour or two, a few time during the year is going to hurt that badly. I've had months in a row, where it was almost all trash and junk, still fun, still learned, but the time could have been better spent.

We are all different, and there is no real good way to know a man's character, until you spend some time. Just like you aren't going to find any treasure, if you don't dig any holes. Not everyone you meet up with, is going to fit your standards, nor will you fit theirs. Just being new and confused, doesn't make anyone a bad person, but you do have the opportunity to make sure they start of right, when the venture out of their own yard, hitting the local parks, private properties in your area, maybe even you favorite spots. If you are swing out in the open, publicly, it's not your person spot anymore. People see you, watch you dig and dance around, when you find something nice. Will a new guy know you had to get permission from an owner? Or will just assume it's okay, because he saw you there? Would you still have permission, if the owner things you invited friends, who weren't as careful as you?

It should probably be added to the Code of Ethics, to help the novice. We all feel the burn of these beginning efforts, why let them keep repeating, every time someone new takes up the hobby? It only takes one messed up minefield park, to really strain our chances of being allowed to detect, or gain future permission. I have fun finding things, whether it has value or not. I don't think it would be fun getting blamed for somebody else's mess, or have to take the time trying to fix it up some, so as not to draw too much negative attention.

We all learn from making mistakes, we pay our dues, and try to do better next time. Part of our dues, is to help people avoid making the same mistakes we regretted most. The time you invest in a novice, is also time you are investing in yourself, and the hobby. I couldn't imagine trying to teach anyone, every fine detail, or all aspects. You there will be people, who expect that, who would call you anytime, any place, with some pretty trivial questions. I think I'd tell the to call their dealer, or the manufacturer...

Beautifully written, Harvey.

You've hit on something I'd not thought of - the impact my job has on my attitude. When I'm paid to consult with someone years ago, a few people will continue to call me "for a quick question" for years to come. The clock ticks and I become a charity. Over time, the charitable aspect adds to 10, 20, 50% of my time. This has hardened me on the freeloading scenario, and I may have carried that into my hobby. Thank you for prompting this insight.
 
I love teaching newbies the "secret" to metal detecting - that there isn't one.

It is the "experts" that I hate hunting with. They have overthought every aspect of the hobby, and can't leave the house without their pinpointer. They always have a problem with the location you picked out, your machine, or settings you're using. They have always found one of those before, or an older one, or newer one. They want to spend half the day talking about how great they are and why they are such an expert. They tell you why you'll never be successful with THAT machine, and if you would just "do it like this," you would find much better stuff.

Oh no, tell them new folks to call me! :laughing:

This is what I admire about many of the videos I see on youtube where 2-3 people are out hunting together. The guys/gals hare having a lighthearted time and nobody is taking it too seriously. Joking, poking fun, and so forth. I always feel jealous of this.

My pseudo-scientific divide-and-conquer approach may be way too systematic and serious. I may need to increase my appreciation for the time spent when the detectors are propped up on diggers and we're all just chewing the fat rather than "shhhh..be quiet, I hear a high tone!"
 
While I like a good hunt as much as anyone and I love the thrill of it all.

But when I'm with a group of fellow hunters. The interactions and joking around and comradeship makes the aspect of "the hunt" seem secondary.

In other words as weird as it sounds. I have more fun hanging out and comparing things and enjoying the company when I'm with a group and swinging the coil seems secondary.
 
Lots of great thoughts and replys... I certainly hope anyone on this forum and have posted a question got answers, tips and replies. (If not please repost it or point us to it and i'm sure it will be answered)..The best I can tell that is the case.. This is a friendly forum and I do believe 99.9% of the people here are more than willing to help anyone asking a legitimate question.. Whether it be a new person to the hobby or a seasoned MD.. That's why we are all here to learn and help others when we can.. I certainly hope this thread won't discourage anyone from asking for help.. I make a point to help anytime I can, I am willing to hunt with anyone, I'll try to give you tips on the hobby but as said we all have to try and spend what time we can to promote the hobby... I know that's why I'm here.. I've been invited many times on hunts with forum members here and when time permits I look forward to meeting up with them.. I also would like them to come and visit some of my spots.. It should be something you enjoy not something you consider a hassle if ask for help from someone that truly wants to learn and shows that enthusiasm and effort.. I have PM'ed many new members here and offered any advice I could on what I have learned on my new machine.. I still have plenty to learn and also received many tips through PM's and I appreciate everyone for that.. I hope that new member or old no one here will hesitate to post if they need help..If you do and you get no response then write me and I will do anything I can to get the answer for you.... Happy hunting to you all..
Sonny
 
Well Put Sonny.

I'd like to start something if possible.

Maybe a section of the forum called "Volunteer" or "Help a newbie"

Basically a place where you can put it out there that you're available to help someone in your area either with learning a machine or "learning the ropes" on how to detect.

A place for newbies to go and find someone in their area who can help them.

I've talked to some newbies on the phone and given them valuable beginners advice. It doesn't need to be a "meet up". A phone call sometimes is very valuable. Sure you can learn a ton by going through threads on here, but they'r not always area specific or sometimes in talking you can learn more in 10 minutes then you can in weeks of browsing around the forums....
 
Well Put Sonny.

I'd like to start something if possible.

Maybe a section of the forum called "Volunteer" or "Help a newbie"

Basically a place where you can put it out there that you're available to help someone in your area either with learning a machine or "learning the ropes" on how to detect.

A place for newbies to go and find someone in their area who can help them.

I've talked to some newbies on the phone and given them valuable beginners advice. It doesn't need to be a "meet up". A phone call sometimes is very valuable. Sure you can learn a ton by going through threads on here, but they'r not always area specific or sometimes in talking you can learn more in 10 minutes then you can in weeks of browsing around the forums....


Thank you,
I have nothing but time.. I'm willing.. I have offered many people on the forum my phone number and E-mail.. I would enjoy helping anyone I can when I can..I was a concealed handgun instructor for years.. Only did it for friends,family and referrals.. I never did it for the money, I did it because I enjoyed the interaction with people that were interested in shooting and also taught tactical shooting techniques to some that were interested..
It was as much fun for me as it was for them..
Sure, I'm willing to contribute what I can..HH..
Sonny
 
I'm a noob at this but have a lil prior experience. I dont mind helping someone out especially a friend but I'm putting in the time to learn my detector, dig everything, and research for good spots plus try to get the permission to hunt them. I hunt with my wife and father in law but with all the hunters in Wichita I'm sure I'll meet some of them too. I wanna bring something to the table though and have a good understanding of my machine too. Like someone said earlier different strokes for different folks. I'll be friendly and give what little advice I can give but I wont hold anyones hand every step of the way. They gotta be able to do it on their own to really be successful and enjoy the hobby.
 
Well Put Sonny.

I'd like to start something if possible.

Maybe a section of the forum called "Volunteer" or "Help a newbie"

Basically a place where you can put it out there that you're available to help someone in your area either with learning a machine or "learning the ropes" on how to detect.

A place for newbies to go and find someone in their area who can help them.

I've talked to some newbies on the phone and given them valuable beginners advice. It doesn't need to be a "meet up". A phone call sometimes is very valuable. Sure you can learn a ton by going through threads on here, but they'r not always area specific or sometimes in talking you can learn more in 10 minutes then you can in weeks of browsing around the forums....

Good idea. Those with extra time could be available to new hobbyists. Expectations are clear and everyone wins.
 
@Pocketspill. I have read some of what you have posted, and I can truthfully say that you and others here have helped many newbees, like me. Taking a afternoon to teach is above and beyond. If I knew very much, I'd be happy to pass it on. I'd meet you at the park. Show you what different signals sound like and how to dig w/o damage. Then you are on your own for the day to "practice". Got questions later, give me a call or post. I can't see why this needs to burden much of your precious free time. That's why it's so precious. It's scarce. If you can't learn mostly on your own, well, you need to work a little harder. Read posts, books, watch vids. There is much that you can do to help yourself.
If you ski, you probably know that to be successful, you need to take lessons. You pay teachers to receive group lessons at reasonable cost. If you don't you probably won't succeed or ever be proficient. Maybe there needs to be a set of videos that would instruct, given the relative scarcity of experienced hobbyists. Do vids like this exist?
Go swing. Ask questions. Repeat.
 
learn to hunt

I don't know about the rest of you, but I am a n00b. Just reading this forum helps. I would rather go out and look like a fool by myself then to ask someone to show me and still look like a fool. The innocent bystanders just gawk and walk away
 
Well, I for one am very glad to see that quite a few differ from pocketspill. Maybe he's on the wrong forum since this the FMDF.

Oh give me a freakin break! :no:

So according to YOU, anybody who doesn't volunteer every second of free time to drive to help somebody learn what thier owners manual already states is rude?

What few tips and pointers a new detectorist could learn from anyone else can be done right HERE with a few posts, all of which have been stated over and over.

I have no problem showing someone a few tips if they use the same detector as me, but don't ask someone to be your human owners manual, or to show exactly what places to hunt to find old coins.
 
Oh give me a freakin break! :no:

So according to YOU, anybody who doesn't volunteer every second of free time to drive to help somebody learn what thier owners manual already states is rude?

What few tips and pointers a new detectorist could learn from anyone else can be done right HERE with a few posts, all of which have been stated over and over.

I have no problem showing someone a few tips if they use the same detector as me, but don't ask someone to be your human owners manual, or to show exactly what places to hunt to find old coins.

Yup! It's funny that many here have chosen to misinterpret this entire post. Maybe there needs to be a group hug? :laughing:

Members here have offered hours and hours, dozens, hundreds, and thousands of post in an effort to provide help to EVERYONE, not just newbs.....but I guess none of that matters since it's not leading them by the hand to a spot, setting their detector for them, and spoon feeding them all the info they require.

Geez.............:roll:
 
Someone please explain.....what exactly is a newbies responsibility in all this? Sounds to me like many here think short of buying their own detector (and I'm starting to wonder if THAT'S even too much to ask), they have none.
 
I had a rough first year with the E-Trac learning curve and now I am digging alot of silver and really having fun. I owe this to several members here on the Friendly Forum who helped me when I got discouraged. Members like Daddydigger, Goes4ever, Cowboy26a and many others who offered tips and advise on hunting techniques and equipment. I really didn't understand what experienced members meant when I was told to be patient, slow down and listen to the machine. Now I do. If it wasn't for the members of this forum who took the time to help me I may have given up the greatest hobby in the world. Thank you to everyone for your help and support!
 
YouTube has 1000's of vids on detecting.. The cool thing is you can even narrow it down to the machine you own and what type of detecting your interested in.. I've spent 100's of hours watching.. They are very entertaining, inspirational and a great learning tool..HH..
Sonny

@Pocketspill. I have read some of what you have posted, and I can truthfully say that you and others here have helped many newbees, like me. Taking a afternoon to teach is above and beyond. If I knew very much, I'd be happy to pass it on. I'd meet you at the park. Show you what different signals sound like and how to dig w/o damage. Then you are on your own for the day to "practice". Got questions later, give me a call or post. I can't see why this needs to burden much of your precious free time. That's why it's so precious. It's scarce. If you can't learn mostly on your own, well, you need to work a little harder. Read posts, books, watch vids. There is much that you can do to help yourself.
If you ski, you probably know that to be successful, you need to take lessons. You pay teachers to receive group lessons at reasonable cost. If you don't you probably won't succeed or ever be proficient. Maybe there needs to be a set of videos that would instruct, given the relative scarcity of experienced hobbyists. Do vids like this exist?
Go swing. Ask questions. Repeat.
 
YouTube has 1000's of vids on detecting.. ...... very entertaining, inspirational and a great learning tool..HH..
Sonny
Yep, and like you, I have viewed lots of them. Specific to my equipment, and just general detecting vids. What I had in mind would be a progressive series of general knowledge that would gradually get specific. I don't posses the knowledge, or I'd try it myself. Many have written books. Watching a vid adds a lot of value to the lesson.
 
A good point that it can pay off in the long run to help people out. My frantic hunting in the 2-3 hour blocks I have cause me to take a more short-term mindset. This is the type of dialogue I was hoping for.

Good luck pocketspill, Sounds to me like you need to take a vacation, come and join us here May 19th - 20th. You can detect all day Saturday and Sunday with us and I promise I wont ask you how to pinpoint or how to find the old horse track and if anyone else does, just point them over in my direction.

I think many of us need to keep in mind that detecting isn't always about the treasures we find under the dirt but the treasure we find in the people we meet along the way. Detecting isn't about being self centered, egotistical or selfishness and as far as I'm concerned it isn't about trying to scam a buck off of others that just want to find something cool and make a few new friends.

We've all seen it before blah, blah, blah, me so great look at me, blah, blah, join my web site, blah, blah, blah, look at all the old silver coins I find, blah, blah, Buy my stuff, buy my book and I will tell you how to be as conceited as me, blah, blah.......blah. But whatever you do DON'T ask me for any advise or how I do it.

I think Terry has summed it up with his post;
I love teaching newbies the "secret" to metal detecting - that there isn't one.

It is the "experts" that I hate hunting with. They have overthought every aspect of the hobby, and can't leave the house without their pinpointer. They always have a problem with the location you picked out, your machine, or settings you're using. They have always found one of those before, or an older one, or newer one. They want to spend half the day talking about how great they are and why they are such an expert. They tell you why you'll never be successful with THAT machine, and if you would just "do it like this," you would find much better stuff.

Oh no, tell them new folks to call me! :laughing:

Just go out there, have a good time and enjoy your life! Take a deep breath look around and think about that exact moment in time and enjoy it for all its worth.
 
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