Guy finds lots of old gold coins at beach [not me]

[Xxray]

From last year, no doubt has been posted before. First I have ever heard of this, am guessing FLA ?

I personally wish he had kept his mouth shut about it for the simple reason that he has increased competition for all the rest of us, but since its out for those who haven't seen it, here it is and it is quite a story.

 

[Dave_e]

WOW
The stuff dreams are made of.

 

[BobOso]

everyone with a metal detector will be there now

 

[Xxray]

everyone with a metal detector will be there now

I was kinda doing something else while watching this and not paying complete attention, did he actually give the site away ?

 

[Tom_in_CA]

I was kinda doing something else while watching this and not paying complete attention, did he actually give the site away ?

It wouldn't matter EVEN IF HE DID tell the *exact* name/location of the beach. I guarantee you that you could go there today, and KNOCK YOURSELF SILLY, and be lucky to get a zinc penny. Because his success was a function of storm erosion ingredients (tides, swells, winds, etc....). And a few days later, it will be all sanded in.

For example : 4 of my 16 gold coins came from beach hunting. Like in one instance, had a 1914 $2.50 gold, nearly 50 silver coins, and over 100 wheaties (and nearly 500 coins total that day). Ie.: As fast as I could dig ! And I could tell you the name of the beach : Marina Beach, end of Reservation Rd. You can go there right now and KNOCK YOURSELF SILLY (go right ahead). And you'll be lucky to get a zinc penny.

Because when it comes to beach erosion storm hunting, it is NOT a factor of : Location location location. It's a factor of Timing timing timing.

And the following year or a decade later, mother nature will open up and erode an entirely different location beach a mile away.

 

[Xxray]

It wouldn't matter EVEN IF HE DID tell the *exact* name/location of the beach. I guarantee you that you could go there today, and KNOCK YOURSELF SILLY, and be lucky to get a zinc penny. Because his success was a function of storm erosion ingredients (tides, swells, winds, etc....). And a few days later, it will be all sanded in.

For example : 4 of my 16 gold coins came from beach hunting. Like in one instance, had a 1914 $2.50 gold, nearly 50 silver coins, and over 100 wheaties (and nearly 500 coins total that day). Ie.: As fast as I could dig ! And I could tell you the name of the beach : Marina Beach, end of Reservation Rd. You can go there right now and KNOCK YOURSELF SILLY (go right ahead). And you'll be lucky to get a zinc penny.

Because when it comes to beach erosion storm hunting, it is NOT a factor of : Location location location. It's a factor of Timing timing timing.

And the following year or a decade later, mother nature will open up and erode an entirely different location beach a mile away.

I see the point for sure, he said as much in the vid, still not the smartest thing to do to give out locations, even approximate. I'm sure 100's of guys were inspired to give it a try, he must have missed 1 or 2 ! And maybe he did, sensational finds especially should be kept on the down low - And just because you are not even finding pennies doesn't mean I won't find a gold coin, you know the mindset as well as anyone. You can get skunked all day long thats fine, might well more than make up for it with your very last swing.
This guy looks at or near the verge of retirement, perhaps he just doesn't care and views his story as part of his posterity, maybe he is like a little girl and just can't keep his mouth shut. Maybe people told him if his vid get lots and lots of views he could make some $$.
Apparently he hasn't sold any of them so likely he is not hurting for $$, now hes got to worry about someone tracking him down and taking the coins, though you would think he just took them out of the safe deposit box for the vid, no way would anyone in their right mind keep them in a little roll out tool drawer..

 

[Tom_in_CA]

I see the point for sure, he said as much in the vid, still not the smartest thing to do to give out locations, even approximate. I'm sure 100's of guys were inspired to give it a try, he must have missed 1 or 2 ! ....

No. You're still not understanding beach erosion. It's not "un-smart" to tell where past tense beach storm erosion action was. It won't matter that he could have "missed 1 or 2". Because those "1 or 2" are now under 20 ft. deep sand !


I can tell you were each of my 4 beach erosion gold coins were found (I already told you 1 of them) , and in each case, you or anyone can go "knock yourself silly", and you'll be lucky to find some foil, or a zinc. now. And the following year, it will be an entirely new/different beach that opens up.

So again : There is nothing "un smart" about him telling where his gold coins came from. That spot might not open up again for 50 yrs. And yet next year, the "good beach" might be 2 miles away from that one.

Another example : I saw a beach, during our 1982-83 El Nino, that gave up scores of silver and a smattering of gold coins, to those of us that were hunting there, during that epic winter. And now, that same beach, has never so-much as given up a wheatie since then ! Because since it eroded down to bed rock, all the sand was "taken out" to the ocean. And apparently when the spring/summer sand came back "in", the old coins did not come back in with it (not at this particular beach anyhow). That was Palm beach , Watsonville, CA . And you can go there and knock yourself out there now, and get nothing but fluke modern drops. Or if there is storms (as there was this last Feb. there), you might go have a 100 coin day, but they'll all be clad. So now we only angle it for jewelry sakes. As opposed to '82-83, where it was almost all old coins, with almost zero new coins.

 

[Xxray]

Tom, I understand the concept of beach erosion perfectly.
It is in fact not difficult to understand.
Does not change my opinion that it is stupid to give out locations - And if its so unpredictable, it might open up next week rather than 20 years from now, you just don't know. I bet every guy that hunts that beach would like to kick that guy in the rear, just because you probably, almost certainly will not find a Spanish gold coin doesn't mean you want your hunting spots flooded with guys who think they can, and that is what you aren't understanding.

 

[BobOso]

It wouldn't matter EVEN IF HE DID tell the *exact* name/location of the beach. I guarantee you that you could go there today, and KNOCK YOURSELF SILLY, and be lucky to get a zinc penny. Because his success was a function of storm erosion ingredients (tides, swells, winds, etc....). And a few days later, it will be all sanded in.

For example : 4 of my 16 gold coins came from beach hunting. Like in one instance, had a 1914 $2.50 gold, nearly 50 silver coins, and over 100 wheaties (and nearly 500 coins total that day). Ie.: As fast as I could dig ! And I could tell you the name of the beach : Marina Beach, end of Reservation Rd. You can go there right now and KNOCK YOURSELF SILLY (go right ahead). And you'll be lucky to get a zinc penny.

Because when it comes to beach erosion storm hunting, it is NOT a factor of : Location location location. It's a factor of Timing timing timing.

And the following year or a decade later, mother nature will open up and erode an entirely different location beach a mile away.

It's not just beach hunting, but anything including nuggets, best park, curbs. If you tell the area, then everyone with a metal detector is there, and you are correct you will be lucky to find a zinc penny.I wonder how the spots that are on America's back yard gold with Dave Turin are holding up, I bet the areas are swamped with people.

 

[Tom_in_CA]

It's not just beach hunting, but anything including nuggets, best park, curbs. If you tell the area, then everyone with a metal detector is there, and you are correct you will be lucky to find a zinc penny.I wonder how the spots that are on America's back yard gold with Dave Turin are holding up, I bet the areas are swamped with people.

Huh ? The reason that the next guy will be "lucky to find a zinc penny" is not because others have shown up with metal detectors. It is only/ever/always because mother nature has filled the beach back in . Nothing at all to do with telling others where your past-tense goodies were found, and "others showing up", etc....

With land sites : Yes, this "competition" and "loose-lips" thing is a factor. But for beach storm erosion hunting : No, it's not a factor.

 

[Xxray]

Huh ? The reason that the next guy will be "lucky to find a zinc penny" is not because others have shown up with metal detectors. It is only/ever/always because mother nature has filled the beach back in . Nothing at all to do with telling others where your past-tense goodies were found, and "others showing up", etc....

With land sites : Yes, this "competition" and "loose-lips" thing is a factor. But for beach storm erosion hunting : No, it's not a factor.

Are Spanish gold coins the only thing you hunt for ?
And if its filled back in, it can be unfilled back out any time, correct ?
"Don't give away locations" is my advice that almost anyone over 12 with a brain will appreciate, you seem to be advocating the opposite and not sure why, just because ?

 

[Tom_in_CA]

...- And if its so unpredictable, it might open up next week rather than 20 years from now, you just don't know. ....

Notice what you are typing. Pay close attention to what YOU YOURSELF TYPE. And read S-L-O-W-L-Y . You said (and I quote) : ".... you just don't know ...." Do you remember saying that ? If you doubt me, scroll back and read it for yourself.

Ok now : THAT'S JUST THE POINT ! No one knows where next winter storm season will erode. It might be that same beach, or it might be a beach a mile away. See ?

We suffered through this EXACT SAME ERROR ourselves, back when we were newbies at trying to figure out how/when/where erosion good spots were going to happen : In the winter of 1982-83, there was epic erosion that raked the CA coastline for several months. And certain beaches were good to us that year. So *naturally* we "rushed back to those same beaches" every time the wind blew and storms brew, for the rest of the 1980s. Only to be foiled over and over with sterile beaches (despite seemingly correct ingredient storms). Only to discover later, that a beach a mile or 10 miles away, was red-hot. Doh ! And conversely, that beach that was red hot, a mile or 10 miles away, could be lame the following winter.

The only time the "loose-lips" admonition is in effect, is when/if you tell your buddies (or post or whatever) on the exact day(s) of when the erosion is occurring . Sometimes an eroded spot can, yes, last for a few day window. But rarely more than 3 or 4 days before sanding back in.

 

[Tom_in_CA]

And I have another question about this bruhaha : Since when is it evil or bad to be nice to your fellow hunters ? Since when is it only deemed "nice" when you have it all to yourself ?

I dunno about you, but I am equally happy when my buddies (even if it's complete strangers) find goodies. Yes goodies that, technicaly, I could have had all-to-myself if I didn't invite anyone, didn't have hunt-buddies, etc....

Mind you, I'm not saying that this is a factor in beach storm erosion hunting in the first place (land : Yes. Beach : No). But just saying : Why is it all of the sudden evil to invite your buddies ?

I have personally found 16 gold coins in my career. And have personally seen 6 or 7 other gold coins found "right under my nose" at sites (including beach storm erosion spots, in addition to land spots) that *technically* could have been mine. If I had been a lone ranger and not invited those "pesky friends". But I have to say that I am perfectly happy to have friends, see them find cool things, etc....

There was a 1960s Sci. Fi movie (I forget the name) where a guy was whisked away to a fabulous beach resort where he had all the food, booze, swimming, sports, pleasures, etc.... that his mind could dream of. He was in the 3rd heaven ! But after a few days, he looked around and wondered "where is everyone ?" There was no one to talk to. No one to share the experience with . No company. And after a week of this hedonistic pleasure : He realized HE WAS IN HELL !

Even those persons , on this forum, who boast that they are islands and lone rangers and "never post their finds show & tell", etc...., yet if you follow those persons around for a week, they will "give away their hand of cards". Because guaranteed, they will have at least one hunt buddy somewhere. And guaranteed, if they find a gold coin, they will *at least* be telling that one buddy.

It's like finally accomplishing a triple back flip somersault while snow skiing : You will DARNED WELL WISH your ski buddies saw it, and that someone was filming it. If there's no one to share life with, THAT IS HELL. So even though we parade ourselves as "islands" and "lone rangers", no one ever is.

 

[Tom_in_CA]

And more: There is a certain buddy of mine (who was in with me on the 1982-83 exploits), who is of the mindset "never tell anyone where the action is" (even past-tense, years later, blah blah). Yet oddly enough, when the storms are brewing , guess who is the first one to call me and say "Hey Tom, have you been out ? Did you see if any beaches are getting eroded ?" Yup : It will be this guy himself. Can you spell "hypocrite" ?


Mind you : I don't mind one bit (because certainly I'm going to pick his brain in reverse later, doh !). I'm just saying that : He's "giving away his hand of cards" on this supposed "lone ranger" cr*p.

 

[scoundrel]

Because when it comes to beach erosion storm hunting, it is NOT a factor of : Location location location. It's a factor of Timing timing timing.

I disagree. Timing is a given. Everybody knows the sand comes in and out. Regarding location, what if those 30 eight escudos were found on a beach that is nowhere near the treasure coast? Which is the case here. Now we might possibly have an undiscovered wreck site. That is a very significant amount of gold coins to be a one off. There is more treasure in the area. I guarantee you. Now location is paramount. I actually know where these coins were found. With some inside information I found the beach, and in his videos, Jimmy crossbones left a clue, and I was able to narrow it down to the exact dock. I have been to this site no less than six times. The last time I went, I found a two real and a cannonball. Not at the exact spot of the gold coins find, but on the same beach. And my friend found a two escudo. There are some locals that know this is a treasure beach. I ran into a couple of members of this forum last time I was there. This is a beach that does not erode very easily. And they regularly truck in re-nourished sand. It does not open up very often, but when it does, I will be there. One day I will kill it there. And thanks to Jimmy crossbones and his vanity. Thanks for the video buddy.

 

[Tom_in_CA]

I disagree. Timing is a given. Everybody knows the sand comes in and out........

Scoundrel, on the micro-scale, in my area, I have told others (even posted on forums like this one), the exact spots where certain show & tell events went down. Like where erosion was going on, where silver and gold coins were found, etc..... And yet, a year or two later *if* that particular beach were eroding again, yet lo & behold : I have it all to myself. Or if there *IS* anyone there with me, it's the same few persons who were with me @ the earlier event. Or someone that I had to invite, alert, etc....


In other words : It's never been a "bunch of yahoos showing up". Because invariably the average Joe never figures out the recipe for erosion ingredients (ie.: the timing of when-to-go). Even I myself find myself showing up at scores of beaches, only to discover they're sanded in, not eroding, etc.... And have to scout multiple beaches, and check with buddies who are likewise doing the same scouting.

So despite being that "timing is a given", very very few ever master the art of this. I still find myself being the only one on red hot beach spots (when I can finally find them), unless I'm putting out the word personally, or got the word from a friend.

And if it's true that someone else whom I've never met before is also there, I welcome them ! And if they find a goodie, I'm happy for them. Since when is that evil ?

 

[scoundrel]

Tom-

Have you ever hunted Florida beaches?
When the beach erodes, the yahoos come out like cockroaches. They don’t need to master anything. When it’s good, they go.
And comparing a spot where shipwreck coins have been found to a spot like you were talking about where other gold coins have been found it’s just not the same thing. Many years ago I hunted a spot of a very big coin spill that was caused by an auto accident. I did very well. I told a bunch of people but nobody ever went and hunted that spot. But if I told all of those same people of a spot where I found a Spanish gold coin on the beach, they would be there after every storm. If Jimmy crossbones location ever gets out and made public, that place will be crawling with detectorists after every storm, erosion, or no erosion, forever after. Just like Turtle Trail.

 

[Tom_in_CA]

...... Have you ever hunted Florida beaches?.......

If your Florida beach situation is akin to land hunting (where there is indeed ability to be "hunted out"), then yes, I'd agree with you. Because I do not extend my stance to something like land hunting. Where, yes, "3 or 4 more hunters" bring an end to it, blah blah . Or that there's no "renewing old coins" to a land site, etc..... Sure, I get it. But on the beach, I've never seen where that same formula applies. If Florida is somehow different, then : So be it .

Hey, and as for this guy's video (that persons, like yourself, have taken objection to), you have to admit that it was a great watch, eh ? To hear the guys' play-by-play, see his show & tell, etc... I mean, shucks, we all sit and watch each other's youtube videos, and give each other high 5's all the time, right ? Show & tell is part of the hobby, right ? That's why this forum has show & tell sections, right ?

So the point being : If this guy hadn't made that video, then : None of us would be enjoying it. I suppose you can push back and say : "But he didn't need to give clues as to the location. He could have just said 'somewhere in FL' or 'somewhere on the east coast' ", eh ? Ok, I'll grant you that.

 

[Xxray]

I don't follow your "logic", never will no matter how you try to spin it.
I know a large, active beach they actually drain every year, you think I am going to post the location on youtube, here or anywhere else ?
Hell no, I have taken my cousin and 1 friend there and thats it, and admonished them to keep their mouths shut about it. I don't see the need to gabber like a girl scout who sold a bunch of cookies just to get some warm fuzzy that you did a good deed - All that is really required is to conduct oneself as an adult male.

 

[Xxray]

But, fair point about the video itself. That is why I posted it, no doubt it is inspiring.
That is the stuff dreams are made of, we all have an inkling of how we would feel making digs like that, especially easy, repetitive digs, multiple rapid fire once in a lifetime finds.
The guy seems cool and humble, still think he made a mistake [outside of the reasons being debated] putting himself out there like that complete with name and general location because obviously, he is inviting a strong arm home invasion, people will kill for $$ like that - Then they'd probably be forced to melt it down to sell it.