Fisher Impulse AQ Limited Launch!

Honestly I think OBN would be the prime test candidate, get it IN the water for extended periods of time under challenging conditions and not just swing it over some wet sand.

BUT... IMO, it requires more than 3.5 hours run time if its being tested further. Joe can make that happen and likely will. I realize they will sell a second pack to those who arent Magyver..... but swapping that out on a sandy beach isnt wise. Nor is being 30 mins or more from the car on some beaches practical to run back and swap it out or get your second machine for the day. My hopes is ... when the next more expensive machine comes out it will have a 10 hour battery pack that will swap with this machine. Even a AAA battery box that could be open like the CZ we could put Lith in would help.
 
Even a AAA battery box that could be open like the CZ we could put Lith in would help.
I had bad luck with my CZ-20/21 and it was due largely to the design of the battery compartment. It was not "built like a tank" for me which is the main reason I got rid of it after its last repair with First Texas. I have had zero issues related to the battery and my Excal. And so far, zero issues with my Equinox. The less intrusive a battery charge or change the less likely problems are going to develop is my 2 cents on this.
 
I believe Magus just got it from Alex T..first time out. He was talking about it as he was swinging...And they were showing him some details ..From what I can understand....
Kind of funny,... the end of the video they drop the target on the ground and everyone is backing up, and chattering like it's was something dangerous.
Hard facts are coming soon, Steve H is a experienced PI hunter...AND a honest one.


Welll I figure you already have one... "The AQ is one good machine which is going to shake that gold tree in and out of the water ..." Yea it is your opinion, but how did you come to that conclusion? My opinion is you have one. Always was curious about why your posting habits changed.

Do you think for one minute I would not want a new pulse machine when I beach hunt exclusively with a pulse? Used everything from ground balancing to straight pulse. Even Steve does not hunt the beach day in and day out... Then again I have never hunted the dirt, ever. Figured you had it for a while, luck with it.



The rest is for the forum, just idle observations…

Rick posted this… “The AQ - because of the way it’s designed does not have this “hole” at the balance point. Instead there’s a transition - in tone mode from High to Low tone at that point - In the mute mode the transition between high tone and mute.”

High/low, tone/mute. So the breakover point, if a “good” target falls into it? Then what? It sounds off as a “bad” target or no signal at all?


Then there is this, read Jag and Geotech responses…

https://www.dankowskidetectors.com/discussions/read.php?2,176318,page=2


He was following all VLF machines, he is running a pulse. Geotech was quick to point out all the gold he got and the detectors he followed. But no mention he was the only pulse user.

Well it's late and I am tired... Forgot to post this earlier.
 
SC, you posted "

“The AQ - because of the way it’s designed does not have this “hole” at the balance point. Instead there’s a transition - in tone mode from High to Low tone at that point - In the mute mode the transition between high tone and mute.”

High/low, tone/mute. So the breakover point, if a “good” target falls into it? Then what? It sounds off as a “bad” target or no signal at all? "

Here's what happens. In all metal, everything detected gives a single tone.

In the discriminate modes, targets above the balance point (longer persisting signals) either give a low tone (in multitone) or are muted (in mute). Signals below the balance point (quicker decaying signals) give a high tone. Nothing is missed - everything is either above or below the balance point and is reported.

Nothing "falls into" the "breakover point" it is a balance point - everything falls on one side or the other - there is no "middle" - just a point. There are no "good" or "bad" targets. Just targets that are below or above the balance point.

Hope this helps
 
Then there is this, read Jag and Geotech responses…

https://www.dankowskidetectors.com/discussions/read.php?2,176318,page=2


He was following all VLF machines, he is running a pulse. Geotech was quick to point out all the gold he got and the detectors he followed. But no mention he was the only pulse user.

Well it's late and I am tired... Forgot to post this earlier.

Crab... I would have asked what you brought up... why is it in all the video's posted by the makers of this detector why did they put it up against a VLF?

I always would work behind VLF users when I was hunting with a pulse full time... I told you that story where I was hunting behind a Excal user years ago and out hunted him on two successive hunts finding 6 gold rings to his 2 and then I saw him a couple weeks later swinging a pulse machine... cracked me up.



As I mentioned to you recently I don't see the AQ helping me much when I can reach the clay layer with my VLF don't get me wrong I would love to try one but I don't know if it would be a benefit to me in my conditions....
 
SC, you posted "

“The AQ - because of the way it’s designed does not have this “hole” at the balance point. Instead there’s a transition - in tone mode from High to Low tone at that point - In the mute mode the transition between high tone and mute.”

High/low, tone/mute. So the breakover point, if a “good” target falls into it? Then what? It sounds off as a “bad” target or no signal at all? "

Here's what happens. In all metal, everything detected gives a single tone.

In the discriminate modes, targets above the balance point (longer persisting signals) either give a low tone (in multitone) or are muted (in mute). Signals below the balance point (quicker decaying signals) give a high tone. Nothing is missed - everything is either above or below the balance point and is reported.

Nothing "falls into" the "breakover point" it is a balance point - everything falls on one side or the other - there is no "middle" - just a point. There are no "good" or "bad" targets. Just targets that are below or above the balance point.

Hope this helps

Ah you misunderstood... Since there is a high/low tone and the mute... A "good" target falling into the break-over point or the mute. Meaning "past" that break-over point... That target is now signaled as a "bad target" or mute if in mute no sound at all...

I am aware that the hole/break-over/blind spot or whatever buzzword your company chose to use, the target can't fall into. Was just posting either way good targets can and will be missed... More then likely larger and higher caret... Would you agree with that?

Guess I should be more careful with my words...
 
Crab... I would have asked what you brought up... why is it in all the video's posted by the makers of this detector why did they put it up against a VLF?

I always would work behind VLF users when I was hunting with a pulse full time... I told you that story where I was hunting behind a Excal user years ago and out hunted him on two successive hunts finding 6 gold rings to his 2 and then I saw him a couple weeks later swinging a pulse machine... cracked me up.



As I mentioned to you recently I don't see the AQ helping me much when I can reach the clay layer with my VLF don't get me wrong I would love to try one but I don't know if it would be a benefit to me in my conditions....


Looks good, I went behind all these other guys and I found all the gold... Like I have said many times, you don't know what you are missing if you can't hear it... I was onto that years ago, sure I may be digging more junk but the tradeoff to me was worth it...

If I ever slide up there there are a couple you should try... One especially with that odd setup just hits so different, it freaking scares me every so often. Almost hits too hard, no ramp-up/ramp down... Just bang, and then I jump.

I did see it, thought 20 was better than 19, but then again have an ear for it. But if it is posted here, then will comment... Not stealing his thunder, not my way. Told him years back thought he was missing deep, but did not push any machine. Was dead set on this one. I will say this he has more guts than the rest. Will tell him, needs to throw out everything he knows about his normal machine. The second "Find the sweet spot" could tell was not there from how it reacted.
 
Yes, don’t mean to pick on details. A 30 gram 24 kt ring would signal like a large piece of iron in either of the discrimination modes. That’s a fact. No holes - just a long persisting target registering on the upper side of the balance point.

Should limit sales in China or India, but not so much here.

Besides, pros hunt in all metal and the discrim modes are for special circumstances. So, why get the AQ then?

Because in all metal it is deeper and quieter than any existing detector in the salt - period. the discrimination and especially the Black Sand mode are icing on the cake.

Our pal OBN loves his, but points out that it won’t replace his Excal - but give him a new powerful tool to do jobs the Excal can’t do.

So “Admin” is right. If he never hunts anywhere where his current tools can’t detect big and not so big bits right down to the clay bottom he talks about - he doesn’t need one.

It’s not a Swiss Army Knife - it’s for one thing only - gold jewelry - any beach.

Unlike the Equinox, it makes no claims to obsolete anything - just claims to do one thing better than everything else. We’ll see.

Solid video documentation of its powers and limitations are on the way - everyone can make their own minds up.
 
Yes, don’t mean to pick on details. A 30 gram 24 kt ring would signal like a large piece of iron in either of the discrimination modes. That’s a fact. No holes - just a long persisting target registering on the upper side of the balance point.

Should limit sales in China or India, but not so much here.

Besides, pros hunt in all metal and the discrim modes are for special circumstances. So, why get the AQ then?

Because in all metal it is deeper and quieter than any existing detector in the salt - period. the discrimination and especially the Black Sand mode are icing on the cake.

Our pal OBN loves his, but points out that it won’t replace his Excal - but give him a new powerful tool to do jobs the Excal can’t do.

So “Admin” is right. If he never hunts anywhere where his current tools can’t detect big and not so big bits right down to the clay bottom he talks about - he doesn’t need one.

It’s not a Swiss Army Knife - it’s for one thing only - gold jewelry - any beach.

Unlike the Equinox, it makes no claims to obsolete anything - just claims to do one thing better than everything else. We’ll see.

Solid video documentation of its powers and limitations are on the way - everyone can make their own minds up.

As for larger rings and carets, picking 24k at 30g is interesting, but even 18k would be wary of... If you want to add in any other factors, mineralization, water movement, depth, even swing speed feel free... That number is not hard and fast, too many variables, depth loss being one. I believe you are aware of that as well, on a bench is never the same as in the field.

Well I would never consider myself a pro, thought this was a hobby. So you know, on all my machines I almost always run without GB/tone if they even have it. Time and a place for everything. But I find it interesting your tune changed a bit. Before you were saying a loss of 10% in tone, but “all pros” run full pulse. If 19 inches in real world, no tube test, should be 17.1 inches in tone mode.

Any machine I have ever recommended, to anyone, I under-promise and overdeliver. I focus on the flaws... If someone is going to spend their money, I want them to say later that I was looking out for them. I don't have a financial interest, to me my word is more important than any amount of money.

I have already been asked by more than one if they get the machine would I run it through its paces... To be honest, this whole thing has just made me indifferent. I may help them, give them the ins and outs, but most of the people buying this will sing its praises. Most buyers are a VLF hunter, no pulse experience…

According to you “it is the quietest, deepest detector in the salt. Period.” Your opinion, so far with what I have seen, I would disagree (yet the sample size is very small)... Your mind was made up several years ago. I call them as I see them, I am not going to go do what I have seen on different boards and take a trip on the U.S.S. Pander...

You may hold the “golden ticket” as the machine goes, have the say of who gets it and who doesn’t . You spent years going on all the boards posting what it can do, ( which in my opinion Fisher is not even paying you close to the actual hours you must have put in) but I know if I had the machine, then posted my findings on this board, it would carry more weight then all your posts combined… And for me, not only is that enough, that is something that I value…
 
unfortunately I hunt predominantly 24k and live in Asia.... so a no go for me.

everyone is complaining about battery life... tdi bh gets 3.5 hours max regardless of which battery you use. Even the tdi pro using 4x2 18650 gets about 3.5 hours and the batteries are a problem transporting and weigh a ton.

if you are digging those deep down whispers for 3.5 hours a couple days in a row it will make you hobble around for a while after.
 
unfortunately I hunt predominantly 24k and live in Asia.... so a no go for me.

everyone is complaining about battery life... tdi bh gets 3.5 hours max regardless of which battery you use. Even the tdi pro using 4x2 18650 gets about 3.5 hours and the batteries are a problem transporting and weigh a ton.

if you are digging those deep down whispers for 3.5 hours a couple days in a row it will make you hobble around for a while after.

I am with you there. I usually can only make it 3 hours anyway. And digging 15" all the time isn't fun. You also better have a spare scoop on you, since a lot more digging equals wear and tear.
 
unfortunately I hunt predominantly 24k and live in Asia.... so a no go for me.

everyone is complaining about battery life... tdi bh gets 3.5 hours max regardless of which battery you use. Even the tdi pro using 4x2 18650 gets about 3.5 hours and the batteries are a problem transporting and weigh a ton.

if you are digging those deep down whispers for 3.5 hours a couple days in a row it will make you hobble around for a while after.


I agree... I usually hunt max 2.5 hours then I have had my fill... the battery issue with the Fisher AQ is a non issue to me.
 
I agree... I usually hunt max 2.5 hours then I have had my fill... the battery issue with the Fisher AQ is a non issue to me.

Me too. I would be more concerned with weight, balance and scoop. Wet sand I usually keep an extra battery wrapped up in my bag.

I think the guys complaining about battery life haven't had the full "pi" experience yet. I've pretty much nailed down cherry picking and the thought of 3.5 hours for a few days in,a row sends a jolt right up my right side.
Only way I would worry about battery life is if there was 1 target every 200 feet.. and even then I would worry more about weight and balance of the detector and scoop.
 
Interesting that you guys are talking not only about battery life , but on weight and balance as well. My personal take and my hunts : I typically hunt 2 , 3 maybe 4 times a week if it's good out. Seldom is it less than 4 hours on each hunt and possibly hitting 3 beaches a trip. The only time I carry extra batteries is when I wear a backpack which has all sorts of supplies. I seldom wear this anymore due to weight. When I had my TDI BH , I would get about 4 hours of life. It drove me crazy. I'm not walking a mile or so back to my car to re-up. If I do that , I'm moving on to another beach. My DF on the other hand , I get 16-20 hours. Easily enough for about 3 hunts a week before I have to change them out. And I don't carry extras.

On the weight , balance issue , I have no idea how this would work out for me. I'm tall and I think my arms and shoulders are conditioned for long hunts after swinging so much. I used to put the control box in my side pouch and just swing a stick and coil. But even this after awile can get nose heavy. Also at times , my upper thigh would get numb from the weight. For awile now I have the box mounted on a long shaft behind the elbow. End to end it's probably 7' !!! It is more balanced and swings more like a pendulum. If I wear my backpack though , the box can get caught up in it as I swing. Swinging any detector for 2,3 hours is a non issue for me. And I try to go as light as possible with all my gear. It's when I hit that 4+ hour window is when it can be a problem. And I certainly don't want to run out of juice. But I would like to try this AQ on my beaches here. I know Rick said he tried it out in San Diego , but I'm not sure if he put it through the ringer like I would.
 
An earlier poster speculated that the AQ wouldn’t get “wrung out” because - in his opinion - the majority of buyers would be VLF users. This assumption is incorrect. I know this because I am charged with allocating the units as they become available. Initial production is still being heavily impacted by COVID 19 with only reduced manning allowed at companies in El Paso.
In allocating the units, I will be carrying out my instructions to carefully identify....

“a select group of experienced early adopters who want to experience design and technological innovation in real-time, as it unfolds. The Impulse®-AQ Limited is not a prototype or pre-production metal detector; it is the first edition to a new product line of Impulse® technology.”

In doing this I am using the list of buyers who have requested to buy a unit in order to assure that the most experienced and active folks are given priority.

The text I quoted above comes directly from a document written by Tom Walsh, President of First Texas Products - a Disclosure - which sets out the entire premise of the Impulse AQ Limited launch.

https://documentcloud.adobe.com/lin...:scds:US:f3b4a218-e06b-4288-855e-57d10d0562dd
 
Here’s the Sell Sheet for the AQ limited
 

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Interesting that you guys are talking not only about battery life , but on weight and balance as well. My personal take and my hunts : I typically hunt 2 , 3 maybe 4 times a week if it's good out. Seldom is it less than 4 hours on each hunt and possibly hitting 3 beaches a trip. The only time I carry extra batteries is when I wear a backpack which has all sorts of supplies. I seldom wear this anymore due to weight. When I had my TDI BH , I would get about 4 hours of life. It drove me crazy. I'm not walking a mile or so back to my car to re-up. If I do that , I'm moving on to another beach. My DF on the other hand , I get 16-20 hours. Easily enough for about 3 hunts a week before I have to change them out. And I don't carry extras.

On the weight , balance issue , I have no idea how this would work out for me. I'm tall and I think my arms and shoulders are conditioned for long hunts after swinging so much. I used to put the control box in my side pouch and just swing a stick and coil. But even this after awile can get nose heavy. Also at times , my upper thigh would get numb from the weight. For awile now I have the box mounted on a long shaft behind the elbow. End to end it's probably 7' !!! It is more balanced and swings more like a pendulum. If I wear my backpack though , the box can get caught up in it as I swing. Swinging any detector for 2,3 hours is a non issue for me. And I try to go as light as possible with all my gear. It's when I hit that 4+ hour window is when it can be a problem. And I certainly don't want to run out of juice. But I would like to try this AQ on my beaches here. I know Rick said he tried it out in San Diego , but I'm not sure if he put it through the ringer like I would.



Weight is no issue for me either... I swing a modified Excal and I'm sure it weighs a lot more than a Fisher AQ...

KOB.. I went through 3 coils on the Dual Field... I heard they had a bad batch of epoxy on some of the coils.. my coils didn't wear out they had water intrusion... I had it after that with the DF... I had a PI PRO and killed the gold with it my first 5 years water hunting... wish I never sold it... knew it like the back of my hand.. I also know its on the west coast finding goodies for someone else.. ;)
 
An earlier poster speculated that the AQ wouldn’t get “wrung out” because - in his opinion - the majority of buyers would be VLF users. This assumption is incorrect. I know this because I am charged with allocating the units as they become available. Initial production is still being heavily impacted by COVID 19 with only reduced manning allowed at companies in El Paso.
In allocating the units, I will be carrying out my instructions to carefully identify....

“a select group of experienced early adopters who want to experience design and technological innovation in real-time, as it unfolds. The Impulse®-AQ Limited is not a prototype or pre-production metal detector; it is the first edition to a new product line of Impulse® technology.”

In doing this I am using the list of buyers who have requested to buy a unit in order to assure that the most experienced and active folks are given priority.

The text I quoted above comes directly from a document written by Tom Walsh, President of First Texas Products - a Disclosure - which sets out the entire premise of the Impulse AQ Limited launch.

https://documentcloud.adobe.com/lin...:scds:US:f3b4a218-e06b-4288-855e-57d10d0562dd


Sounds like the AQ is up for adoption... I would be a good parent... I'm not abusive nor a drinker and would never use it as a crutch :D


I was not a VLF user first... I started with a pulse and found a lot of gold with them... following behind the Excal and other VLF users... I have even followed and recovered gold behind pulse hunters because many are lazy and don't overlap their swings... When I hunt a beach the object is to get all the targets good and bad to leave nothing for the other guy to give him hope...

Some people just don't know what they are doing hunting the water...
 
Sounds like the AQ is up for adoption... I would be a good parent... I'm not abusive nor a drinker and would never use it as a crutch :D


I was not a VLF user first... I started with a pulse and found a lot of gold with them... following behind the Excal and other VLF users... I have even followed and recovered gold behind pulse hunters because many are lazy and don't overlap their swings... When I hunt a beach the object is to get all the targets good and bad to leave nothing for the other guy to give him hope...

Some people just don't know what they are doing hunting the water...

Now that cracked me up, when you said" I get all the targets and leave no hope":laughing: You are a true pirate!:pirate: Take no prisoners!:laughing:
 
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Now that cracked me up, when you said" I get all the targets and leave no hope":laughing: You are a true pirate!:pirate: Take no prisoners!:laughing:



i have hunted with guys who every time I look up are moving so fast they can't possibly find the good stuff on a consistent basis... when find are area with good targets I don't move I will it from N/S then S/N the E/W and finally W/E its been successful for me over the years and nothing could make me happier than seeing someone pack up and go home with the mumbles..

This is not a group hobby... its winner take all.
 
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