Ditlihi's Adventures On The Treasure Trail In Southwest New Mexico

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Not sure where to post this so I'm just gonna jump in and go for it.

For the past couple of months a partner and I have been on a lost treasure trail in the desert southwest, in and around the mountains bordering Mexico. While on this search we stumbled across something very interesting by sheer accident.

There is a little known story of an old Spanish silver mine in this area that was re-discovered in the mid to late 1800's, but had to be abandoned due to Indian raids ongoing at the time. It was rumored to have been relocated in the late 20's, and showed some good assays, but was lost again due to earthquake activity which caused a landslide and covered the opening. There are records of this in some old mining journals.

In our search for a different cache, we stumbled upon what I believe to be the site of those old workings, now covered, and found several relics that could be from that time period, left behind by the last persons to work it. The site is very remote, in the desert foothills on the US side of the border, and is not a place one would normally be spending any time in. (Unless they were nuts like we are, lol). So the likelihood of these relics being found in this spot is pretty remarkable.

Granted, the pieces we found don't amount to much, a toothed metal belt hook connector plate for a wide motor driven belt with a patent date from the late 1800's, an old tool, a tobacco tin from the 20's, and of all things....a spark plug dating from about the same period. The belt hook connector plate more than likely came from a belt driven drilling rig (nicknamed Spudders) like the one in the video posted below.

Cable tool drilling machines, also called Percussion or Spudder rigs, operated by repeatedly lifting and dropping a heavy string of drilling tools into the borehole. The drill bit breaks or crushes consolidated rock into small fragments, whereas the bit primarily loosens the material when drilling unconsolidated formations. In both instances, the reciprocating action of the tools mixes the crushed or loosened particles with water to form a slurry or sludge at the bottom of the borehole. If little or no water is present in the formation, water is added to form a slurry. Slurry accumulation increases as drilling proceeds and eventually it reduces the impact of the tools. When the penetration rate becomes unacceptable, slurry is removed at intervals from the borehole by a sand pump or bailer.

The site is proving interesting and we plan to do some preliminary clearing/digging this fall when it cools down a bit, and hope to confirm my suspicions.

Meanwhile, I'm still on the trail to lost treasure in the dusty Southwest. Hope to add more on my adventures here as I progress.

Thanks for looking!
 

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Beautiful restoration of a cable tool style drilling rig ('Spudder') like the one I suspect was used on our site, a 1914 Sanderson Cyclone Drill Rig used to drill blasting holes in a mine.

 
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ditlihi, are you asking if the relicky things , shown in your picture, might have some connection to the "old spanish silver mine" ? Ie.: d/t the ongoing part of the legend where it was said to have been "relocated in the 1920s" ?

If so, then here's my thoughts on that : For starters, as you know, I don't put much stock into "lost mine" and "Spanish SW riches" stories :laughing: But as for the items you found: You have to realize that vast parts of the deserts of NV, AZ, NM and So. CA were mined from the mid 1800s to the present. So ... when you drive around through all the remote desert pars of the SW USA, there is no shortage of tailing piles, rusty objects, pits, etc.... In other words: Items like what you found, are practically everywhere there (well ... in the mining regions anyhow, which dot the landscape of various regions of the SW).

So there is not a necessary connection between the objects, and any older workings of an earlier era.
 
ditlihi, are you asking if the relicky things , shown in your picture, might have some connection to the "old spanish silver mine" ? Ie.: d/t the ongoing part of the legend where it was said to have been "relocated in the 1920s" ?

If so, then here's my thoughts on that : For starters, as you know, I don't put much stock into "lost mine" and "Spanish SW riches" stories :laughing: But as for the items you found: You have to realize that vast parts of the deserts of NV, AZ, NM and So. CA were mined from the mid 1800s to the present. So ... when you drive around through all the remote desert pars of the SW USA, there is no shortage of tailing piles, rusty objects, pits, etc.... In other words: Items like what you found, are practically everywhere there (well ... in the mining regions anyhow, which dot the landscape of various regions of the SW).

So there is not a necessary connection between the objects, and any older workings of an earlier era.

Ok Tom. So how would 1 know when you were really on to a promising site ? If you do some research and find an old site say 100-200 years old , and start find "junk or trash , tools" from different eras , wouldn't that be a good sign ? Many people have been there over different time periods searching for treasure ? Or just a waste of time ? Idk. How would you approach a treasure journey like this ? Thanks.
 
... If you do some research and find an old site say 100-200 years old , and start find "junk or trash , tools" from different eras , wouldn't that be a good sign ?....

Well, if you apply this question, to the O.P.'s question/location, then the answer is: No.

To find "junk/trash", and want it to point to an "older site" ( older than the era of the junk-trash), is not a necessary connection.

If that were a "good sign", then I got 1000 sites, within 5 miles of my house, that you will find no shortage of "junk-trash-tools" + "old treasure legends", and ... guess what you'll find after 100 yrs. of digging ? = Nothing but "junk or trash tools".
 
Well, if you apply this question, to the O.P.'s question/location, then the answer is: No.

To find "junk/trash", and want it to point to an "older site" ( older than the era of the junk-trash), is not a necessary connection.

If that were a "good sign", then I got 1000 sites, within 5 miles of my house, that you will find no shortage of "junk-trash-tools" + "old treasure legends", and ... guess what you'll find after 100 yrs. of digging ? = Nothing but "junk or trash tools".
You gotta point. Guess it depends more on research then. Not just wondering off into the desert. But it's research and information , history , that put people on to hunting a site. Maybe it's the ones with very little information or " unknown hidden gems" , passed down family information , etc that are the ones worth seeking. Kinda like how you did your research on finding that cob. With some luck of course !
 
Cool finds, including the horned toad, keep on diggin'.

Great looking spot, probably not too much modern junk out there.



Thanks guys! This place is pretty desolate, but beautiful in it's own way. No, Zeemang, not much of anything modern out here, though we did run across the remains of an old Mogollon pit house and a large grinding stone. We are having a blast just exploring the area.

Mikey, that horned toad is my new buddy....I named him "Tom". :D He may look all sharp and prickly, but he's really a cuddle puppy. He likes to play shadow puppets and pretend he's Godzilla. :lol:
 
You gotta point. Guess it depends more on research then. Not just wondering off into the desert. But it's research and information , history , that put people on to hunting a site. Maybe it's the ones with very little information or " unknown hidden gems" , passed down family information , etc that are the ones worth seeking. Kinda like how you did your research on finding that cob. With some luck of course !


Spot on, KOB! Sometimes you stumble on a hidden gem, which is just sheer luck of course. When your curiosity over this oddity leads you to doing some in depth research, and you find there is a strong possibility you are on to something, it's always worth a second look. Could be a prize in the crackerjack box ....or it could just be the bottom of the box. Won't know unless you check it out.

In any event, I have the time to waste and the opportunity to investigate further, and as we all know....the real prize in a box of crackerjacks is the caramel covered popcorn. ;)

Thanks for your insightful reply!
 
.... Kinda like how you did your research on finding that cob.....


Number of treasure legends researched, that contributed to my recent cob find = Zero. Number of caches-found, that make-the-rounds of news accounts, & forum show & tells, etc... annually, that can be attributed to researchers of treasure-legends ? = zero.

"Research" has little to do with it. It's the reliability, of a topic in the first place, that has everything to do with it. And to determine reliability, he/she needs to weed out the stories, to test for more-plausible explanations.
 
Number of treasure legends researched, that contributed to my recent cob find = Zero. Number of caches-found, that make-the-rounds of news accounts, & forum show & tells, etc... annually, that can be attributed to researchers of treasure-legends ? = zero.

"Research" has little to do with it. It's the reliability, of a topic in the first place, that has everything to do with it. And to determine reliability, he/she needs to weed out the stories, to test for more-plausible explanations.



LOL. Topic is my Adventures, lmao. Good luck with that argument. :laughing:


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Number of treasure legends researched, that contributed to my recent cob find = Zero. Number of caches-found, that make-the-rounds of news accounts, & forum show & tells, etc... annually, that can be attributed to researchers of treasure-legends ? = zero.

"Research" has little to do with it. It's the reliability, of a topic in the first place, that has everything to do with it. And to determine reliability, he/she needs to weed out the stories, to test for more-plausible explanations.

Wasn't really talking about "treasure legends ". Just wanted some insight on how you determine where to go , knowing you have made some great finds. Now you just threw it out the window. Good lord ! Research has little to do with it ? Huh ? Reliability of a topic ? I'm quickly losing faith here Tom on this one.

I would just like to hear simple , layman's terms or reasoning regarding treasure hunting on a variety of topics. I don't want to be a "doubting thomas" or a Philadelphia lawyer to decipher something. Though I can , I choose not to.

Ditlihi - At least you're having fun on your journey. I hope your RESEARCH pays off !
 
Wasn't really talking about "treasure legends ". Just wanted some insight on how you determine where to go , knowing you have made some great finds. Now you just threw it out the window. Good lord ! Research has little to do with it ? Huh ? Reliability of a topic ? I'm quickly losing faith here Tom on this one.

I would just like to hear simple , layman's terms or reasoning regarding treasure hunting on a variety of topics. I don't want to be a "doubting thomas" or a Philadelphia lawyer to decipher something. Though I can , I choose not to.

Ditlihi - At least you're having fun on your journey. I hope your RESEARCH pays off !


Thank you, KOB. Don't mind Tom, he means well, but his reasoning is stuck in a traffic circle and he can't find the exit lane. That's ok too, he finds a lot of change there and it keeps him safe.

Keep searching! :bowdown:
 
... Now you just threw it out the window. Good lord ! Research has little to do with it ? Huh ? ....

Ok, let's sum up the answer this way : What is more likely to result in goodies-being-found:

a) "Research" @ Oak Island ?

b) "Research" @ Lost Dutchman ?

c) "Research" @ Yamashita ?

d) "Research" @ to find a stage stop location that no one's ever md'd at ?

If you picked (d), you're right . So you see how the word "research" can have different outcomes as-per-potential ?
 
Ok, let's sum up the answer this way : What is more likely to result in goodies-being-found:

a) "Research" @ Oak Island ?

b) "Research" @ Lost Dutchman ?

c) "Research" @ Yamashita ?

d) "Research" @ to find a stage stop location that no one's ever md'd at ?

If you picked (d), you're right . So you see how the word "research" can have different outcomes as-per-potential ?
Again , find the exit Tom ! Not these crazy legends. I mean (D). YOU. What YOU determine is a good stagecoach stop to detect , etc. But you made it clear that "research " is rather insignificant or moot. Time for me to move on to something else.
 
Thank you, KOB. Don't mind Tom, he means well, but his reasoning is stuck in a traffic circle and he can't find the exit lane. That's ok too, he finds a lot of change there and it keeps him safe.

Keep searching! :bowdown:

That's some funny ars chit ! Kinda like a turd circling the toilet but never makes it down ?
 
Ok, let's sum up the answer this way : What is more likely to result in goodies-being-found:

a) "Research" @ Oak Island ?

b) "Research" @ Lost Dutchman ?

c) "Research" @ Yamashita ?

d) "Research" @ to find a stage stop location that no one's ever md'd at ?

If you picked (d), you're right . So you see how the word "research" can have different outcomes as-per-potential ?


Excellent example Tom! Kudo's for locating the old stage stop and the cob.

Let's use this for an example, shall we?

Let's say you were on your way to this stage stop site you had previously "Researched" (though thanks to You we now know "Research has little to do with it"...unless it's YOUR research, nudge, nudge ..), and you stumble across an old rotted saddle and a few scattered pieces of harness in the middle of the desert along the way.

Now, even though this is a remote location, not anywhere near a well traveled trail, do you just pass it by....or stop to investigate a bit?

Let's say you do investigate....and find pieces of an old wooden strong box. Would you just think to yourself....

" I realize that vast parts of the deserts of NV, AZ, NM and So. CA were traveled from the mid 1800s to the present. So ... when you drive around through all the remote desert parts of the SW USA, there is no shortage of old rotting saddles, rusty harness, old wooden boxes, etc.... In other words: Items like what I found, are practically everywhere a horse could have traveled "

....and then just go on your way and forget about it?

Or might you go home that evening and dig around for any records of that area that included a missing strongbox?

Let's say you do dig around, and find Reliable Documented Accounts of a stagecoach robbery from that particular time period, that was never recovered. Would you tell yourself...

" To find "old saddles and rotting wood", and want it to point to a "stagecoach robbery", is not a necessary connection ".

" If that were a "good sign", then I got 1000 sites, within 5 miles of my house, that you will find no shortage of "junk-trash-wood" + "old treasure legends", and ... guess what you'll find after 100 yrs. of digging ? = Nothing but "junk or trash or wood" ".

....then go on your merry way, comfortable in your superior reasoning, and never give it another thought?

Hmm?

Just curious.
 
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