Coffee and doughnuts

[hoser]

Yeah you heard me right. I read a lot of threads about asking for permissions and Tom is absolutely correct when he said that if you ask, the answer will probably be NO. Yeah Tom, I'm agreeing with ya. . One thing I have found is to not talk to someone trapped behind a desk. You need to get to know the folks on the line like the patrol police, DNR officers. Offer a sit down with a cup of coffee and some bakery doughnuts and just get to know them, let them know you respect what they do. Offer your help with a detector. They are actually people too and appreciate it to be recognized for their service. I'm not saying, hand them a donut and say where can I hunt. Converse with them, listen to their stories and if something catches your attention casually ask questions. As you get to know them, and they know you, they are more open to give up the information you are seeking. Successful treasure hunting can take time and a little effort. Including a few doughnuts.

 

[Tom_in_CA]

Or..... why not simply look up potential laws/rules/codes for oneself ? And if it didn't say "no md'ing", then presto : Not prohibited. And ... shucks .... you saved $$ on the coffee & donuts ?

 

[GroundSweeper]

I'm all about coffee and do nots. Death disks I like to call them. I do like doughnuts, but I don't eat donuts often thankfully, but coffee..... I love and need, no, require coffee.... it's so good. Liquid black gold. Peet's freshly roasted is my go to, I'll admit it, I'm a total coffee snob, my grandma (RIP) would call it cowboy coffee. I like it strong and black.

 

[metaladdict]

I'm all about coffee and do nots. Death disks I like to call them. I do like doughnuts, but I don't eat donuts often thankfully, but coffee..... I love and need, no, require coffee.... it's so good. Liquid black gold. Peet's freshly roasted is my go to, I'll admit it, I'm a total coffee snob, my grandma (RIP) would call it cowboy coffee. I like it strong and black.

Let's talk coffee, I like it light with cream and agave. Costa Rican is great, so is Hawaiian!

 

[BuckHill]

Green Mountain Coffee Dark Magic!

 

[BuckHill]

I've been doing a lot of recon on LiDAR, then I will spend some time with my girlfriend and dog hiking in finding the spots with no detector.

 

[hoser]

Or..... why not simply look up potential laws/rules/codes for oneself ? And if it didn't say "no md'ing", then presto : Not prohibited. And ... shucks .... you saved $$ on the coffee & donuts ?

Yep, you're right to a point. However a hot coffee and a couple donuts has just made you a friendly ally so when the local Karen calls the police to kick you out of a place they feel they have the right to prevent you to detect, and the officer who now knows you is more likely to tell her or him to go pee up a rope and leave you alone.

 

[Tom_in_CA]

Yep, you're right to a point. However a hot coffee and a couple donuts has just made you a friendly ally so when the local Karen calls the police to kick you out of a place they feel they have the right to prevent you to detect, and the officer who now knows you is more likely to tell her or him to go pee up a rope and leave you alone.

The "devil is in the details". Any time we think a preventative preemptive move (like donuts to make cop friends, blah blah) is good for our hobby, will amount to nothing other than : Bringing that very attention on ourselves. When in fact the best thing for our hobby is LESS attention. Not MORE attention.


It assumes that we're doing-something-wrong such that there's necessarily karens or cops out there "waiting to bust our chops".


But in my experience, the moment we START with that mindset (that we need to be "looking over our shoulders" and "making preemptive moves") is the moment that it only becomes a self-fulfilling vicious loop. Ie.: Passerbys (who would never have given 2 sh*ts about you) pick up on that subtle body language. Eg.: as you "lock eyes" with each passerby . With the persona of "oh no, does he see me" sort of evasive body-language. The passerby picks up on that . And subconsciously drives them to ask themselves "Gee what are they doing ?".


So do you see why the psychology of thinking we NEED preemptive moves IN THE FIRST PLACE, simply becomes self-fulfilling ?


Instead, when/if you "act like you own the place", then ironically: No one cares. So I refuse to start with the assumption that I'm doing something wrong, or that it's dis-liked, or needs allies in govt. etc..... Because the moment I DON'T start with that attitude, is the moment that I'll start finding people-who-care.


Oh sure : Don't go tromping on obvious historic sensitive monuments. And : Oh sure, don't be in the middle of deep retrievals in nice-manicured turf if/when busy-bodies are staring.

 

[BuckHill]

Nicely said Hoser

 

[hoser]

Bringing that very attention on ourselves. When in fact the best thing for our hobby is LESS attention. Not MORE attention.

Well Tom it's a matter of location, location, location. Where you live, what you just said probably holds true. However up here it's a different situation. Fewer people, and we DO get to know who our law and emergency personnel are. Benefits of small-town America.

 

[Tom_in_CA]

Well Tom it's a matter of location, location, location.....

And this ^ ^ is exactly why I do some certain locations, here in CA, at night. Or .... oddball off times (early Sunday AMs, etc....). For certain spots that are ... uh ... . "nice manicured turf". NOT because I am necessarily doing anything illegal or wrong, but ONLY to avoid any such ... uh ... "karens" out there.

Thus : I do not deny they exist sometimes. I'm just saying that to think going in ahead of time preemptively is going to solve it, can often time just make it worse. Ie.: to put you on the radar of people (who are now tasked with thinking about your "pressing issue"), that ... truth be told, may never have given the matter a moment's thought before .


As for picking discreet timing for certain spots, I realize this might smack of "sneaking around" or whatever. But no, it's no different than , say, nose-picking : NOT necessarily "illegal", NOR do you need preemptive moves, NOR does it "need permission", yet notice that we all opt for discreet timing. SO AS NOT TO OFFEND THE SQUEAMISH . So too are a few metal detecting objectives going to be like that. I certainly wish that wasn't so. I certainly WANT "red carpets to be rolled out for me" everywhere. But sometimes the supposed "cure" (preemptive moves) can be worse than the disease.

 

[Tpmetal]

On a related note, never underestimate the power of tea time with elders. If you wanna know the low down on what happened back in the day and where, have tea with your elders. Just don't forget to bring cookies or baked goods.

 

[FliesOnly]

Let's talk coffee, I like it light with cream and agave. Costa Rican is great, so is Hawaiian!

Have ye tried Kopi Luwak? I bought some (shared it with my wife and a couple good friends) just so I can say that I did it. It's really pretty good. I'd certainly try it again, if it weren't for the p[rice.

 

[metaladdict]

Have ye tried Kopi Luwak? I bought some (shared it with my wife and a couple good friends) just so I can say that I did it. It's really pretty good. I'd certainly try it again, if it weren't for the p[rice.

No but I buy Java time for $6.50 a bag at big lots.

 

[hoser]

Coffee is by far one of my most favorable things. Nothing, and I mean nothing is better than my coffee in the morning. We have been Keurig owners for many years and to have a fresh cup every time is pure bliss. I have had coffee in one of those big industrial grade five gallon coffee destroyers, to the Bunn office size brewers, to what we have now, the Keurig K-Cup brewers. IMO that is the best coffee I have had to date. Now I have not had the pleasure of Nespresso yet. That being said and getting back to the thread, you give an older person a real good cup of Joe and a good donut, they will tell you what ever you want to know. I'm 75 and you give me a good cup of Joe and a couple donuts I'll lie through my teeth to tell you what you want to know.

 

[BeardedRelicHunter]

And this ^ ^ is exactly why I do some certain locations, here in CA, at night. Or .... oddball off times (early Sunday AMs, etc....). For certain spots that are ... uh ... . "nice manicured turf". NOT because I am necessarily doing anything illegal or wrong, but ONLY to avoid any such ... uh ... "karens" out there.

Thus : I do not deny they exist sometimes. I'm just saying that to think going in ahead of time preemptively is going to solve it, can often time just make it worse. Ie.: to put you on the radar of people (who are now tasked with thinking about your "pressing issue"), that ... truth be told, may never have given the matter a moment's thought before .


As for picking discreet timing for certain spots, I realize this might smack of "sneaking around" or whatever. But no, it's no different than , say, nose-picking : NOT necessarily "illegal", NOR do you need preemptive moves, NOR does it "need permission", yet notice that we all opt for discreet timing. SO AS NOT TO OFFEND THE SQUEAMISH . So too are a few metal detecting objectives going to be like that. I certainly wish that wasn't so. I certainly WANT "red carpets to be rolled out for me" everywhere. But sometimes the supposed "cure" (preemptive moves) can be worse than the disease.

And this ^ ^ is exactly why I do some certain locations, here in CA, at night

night hawking is a great way to draw bad attention to our hobby too.... here in my area its a no-no at public places as everything closes at dusk except on private property permissions

 

[Tom_in_CA]

...... night hawking ......

You are confusing issues. You are confusing definitions. Because the term "night-hawking" connotes a place that is off-limits (illegal) to md'ing. But look again at the very post of mine that you were quoting : That I was NOT speaking of places that are "illegal".

Let's be dreadfully honest here : MD'ing is an oddball hobby that carries connotations. Right ? While not explicitly expressly being forbidden. Yet, that might not stop someone from griping.

Thus: For us to "avoid such killjoy karens" is not necessarily defined as "night-hawking". You are confusing issues.

 

[BeardedRelicHunter]

You are confusing issues. You are confusing definitions. Because the term "night-hawking" connotes a place that is off-limits (illegal) to md'ing. But look again at the very post of mine that you were quoting : That I was NOT speaking of places that are "illegal".

Let's be dreadfully honest here : MD'ing is an oddball hobby that carries connotations. Right ? While not explicitly expressly being forbidden. Yet, that might not stop someone from griping.

Thus: For us to "avoid such killjoy karens" is not necessarily defined as "night-hawking". You are confusing issues.

maybe on the west coast you do things or define things differently oh wait actually your state does ..... that term was used and explained to me in the club I'm a member of referring to public places that are closed at dusk not closed to metal detecting .only public place i've detected at night is a beach in Delaware that's open 24 hours .
our hobby isn't oddball at all were the normal ones everyone is crazy and Karen's and snowflakes just need to mind their own business or learn how to approach and ask questions to become informed instead of being the ignorant *unts they normally are. .

 

[Tom_in_CA]

..... that are closed at dusk .......

Oh I get it now. So if a park has the ... uh ... "obligatory" sign that says "closes at Sunset", then .... this falls under what you were aiming at, in your post #16. Eh ?

I mean, ok, sure. And I suppose you and I have jaywalked before too. Ok, guilty as charged.


I lived right across the street from a park in my city with that type obligatory "closed at sunset" sign. Yet the park connects two disparate neighborhoods. And if you're a pedestrian, wishing to reach the other side to your own street, you walk through the park. And yes (gasp) for the 15 yrs. I lived there, it was not unusual to see people walking through the park at night. Eg.: Lovers on a stroll, or someone walking their dog, etc....


And in those 15 yrs. I lived there, the ONLY time the cops were ever called for anyone in-the-park after dark, was a single time where teens thought they were going to have a late night boom box keg party there. So IMHO, those obligatory signs are to shoo away persons who think they're going to homestead the place, or camp out there, etc....

But sure.... ok .... you got me : Guilty as charged.

 

[BeardedRelicHunter]

one I never jay walked cause I don't go walking around cities I'm a country kind of guy
two like I said difference between your state and mine and different type of parks and surroundings to said parks around my area if your in a park that closes at dusk that means for all the cops are quick to pull in and chase out everyone ....