You tube rant

The worse location giveaway I ever seen occurred on a site called great lakes metal detecting, maybe a few here remember it. As its name implied, it concentrated on the Michigan area, almost all members were from the Detroit area including me. Well this one guy was into scuba detecting and him and a couple mods from the forum found a great spot were they were dredging out old silvers from the late 1800's into 1900's, watches, rings, all kinds of stuff. Just seemed no end to it, they posted pics of finds but of course nothing about location.
The guy had a boat too and went to locations around here I'd never get to without one, including the infamous Gull Island where there is a huge 5,000+ boat party every year. He took me out to some of those places and he told me where they were finding this stuff, I said Ok, mums the word, thanks for the info.

Before I even had a chance to go out there, like days later, he posted a literal essay on exactly where they were finding this stuff, complete with google maps and X marks the location. Unbelievable, since this was years ago and its closed off to detecting now I will tell you, it was Belle Isle in Detroit, an island that has been used for leisure activities since 1850. It has a large beach, and I think most people assumed they were finding the stuff there, but what alot of folks didn't know is the old beach was located a ways away from the present one, and thats where they were finding the stuff. He posted that he was on the track of a huge waterslide that used to be there, said he found the moorings for it, and that when he found the end of it, it would be a pure goldrush !
[He went deeper than anyone else with scuba but there was plenty of wading to do too, which I think is why he felt secure giving away the location, he had little if any competition 10-15 ft down]

I and everyone else that knew the location was flummoxed, could not believe it [I think he reposted it on TN too for good measure] I went there the very next day and there were literally over 20 guys out in the water detecting, and after that, the coast guard came in and closed the whole thing down and permanently banned detecting in that area.
The web site owner was so mad that he publicly threatened to kill him, and the web site folded not long after. Sharing your spots with a few friends is one thing, that is magnanimous - But posting for all the world to see is quite another, I just cannot understand that mindset where people feel compelled to trumpet their finds and thump their chests.
 
I'm one of those youtube looter pirates, years ago when youtube was young, 2009, and my detecting career had just started. I seen a local Chesapeake Bay hunter posting video of some interesting things on TreasureNet.. .. not gold but the right stuff that told me gold was there. He was very careful with his video's not to show any land marks and of all his video's he only found gold once. I had got a call from VB Max about the video's asking if I knew the guy. I did not but told him I would investigate. I down loaded all of his video's.. maybe 7 and slowly watched for any give away signs. And right at the end of one of his videos his cam swings to the left and captures a few frames of a landmark which would tell me right where the spot was.

The store gets way more dramatic, but in short.. if you think videos and posting don't hurt spots.. your wrong. Had my best year in gold weight at this spot in 2019.. the place opened up and I got 21 ounces of gold out of there.. And I got almost every gold found at that spot on video.. you think I'm going to put that out there.. ..:snapoutofit:
Be very careful on what you Post on the internet.
Me and you know who taught a local that. He'd film a spot and even post it the next day on youtube. So we saw the beach conditions sitting on the couch watching the YT and went North of where he was and found a big diamond wedding band. Then told him about how we found the spot sitting on the couch. He posted a couple tot lot hunts after that. I used to make youtube vids and film where I wasn't and add it in. I learned the hard way when I used to make flounder fishing vids and a guy told me where my honey hole was and he hammered it all year. I learned to steer people to some good toadfish fishing holes:lol:
 
I was asking a local metal detector retailer about whether or not all of these silly videos are creating a new gold rush in detector sales. They said "Yes, of course" but added that they have had to change their return policies, since many of these newbies quickly return the machine claiming that it doesn't work because they didn't immediately find precious metal with it. LOL. The newbies who do stick with it definitely find a piece here and there, but Felix can tell you that here in Miami, our finds are definitely not what they used to be. The trough has been reef cleaned by a legion of daily hunters and a few professionals who hunt SOBE for 12 hour shifts. I'm 56, and 4 hours is enough for me, but I am not joking, there are a few hunters down here that do 12 hours per day, every day in the water and dry sand. Even pull tabs are getting scarce. Many of the fresh losses are immediately picked up by the daily hunters that made my hobby their job. I am not whining; just stating the facts. Of course, skill matters, but time in the water is the great equalizer.
 
Increased competition is inevitable. The population of the US was 282 million in 2000. Now its 339 million. That's almost a 20% increase. When you take into consideration the ease of seeing new things now it's surprising that you only usually see one or two other MDers.

You definitely don't want to post out-of-the-way spots but to say that somewhere like Huntington Beach or Newport Beach is a secret honey-hole? There has to be a balance between the community aspects of the hobby, education and teaching, and privacy... Finding the balance is the problem I think.
 
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Increased competition is inevitable. The population of the US was 282 million in 2000. Now its 339 million. That's almost a 20% increase. When you take into consideration the ease of seeing new things now it's surprising that you only usually see one or two other MDers.

You definitely don't want to post out-of-the-way spots but to say that somewhere like Huntington Beach or Newport Beach is a secret honey-hole? There has to be a balance between the community aspects of the hobby, education and teaching, and privacy... Finding the balance is the problem I think.
That 50 million increase in population is over the last 4 years and does not include the got aways.
 
THE IDEA OF BEING "THAT GUY" WHO METAL DETECTS ON A CROWDED BEACH IN THE CROWD...... WORSE STEREO TYPE TO THE HOBBY EVER... I HAVE ONLY ATTENDED A COUPLE OF LATE WINTER SEEDED BEACH HUNTS.... NEVER WENT BACK.... AT THE SAME TIME THERE ARE GUYS OUT THERE WHO KNOW HOW TO SWING A BEACH, AND WHEN.... TOTALLY DIFFERENT... AND VERY IMPRESSIVE....
 
That 50 million increase in population is over the last 4 years and does not include the got aways.
I thought it was too crowded here in 1990 when there were only 250 million. I think I'd be more comfortable with a population level like the 1850's... about 23 million. Unfortunately it's only going to get worse since higher population = more breeders = more babies = even more people :( It almost makes you hope that behavioral sink will apply to homo sapiens as well as rattus norvegicus.
 
Increased competition is inevitable. The population of the US was 282 million in 2000. Now its 339 million. That's almost a 20% increase. When you take into consideration the ease of seeing new things now it's surprising that you only usually see one or two other MDers.

You definitely don't want to post out-of-the-way spots but to say that somewhere like Huntington Beach or Newport Beach is a secret honey-hole? There has to be a balance between the community aspects of the hobby, education and teaching, and privacy... Finding the balance is the problem I think.
Well most of the increase in population has been due to uncontrolled migration, I reside not far from large populations that are not native to the USA and I have never seen any of them swinging even once, and they look at me like an alien the few times I ever detect around them, very rare for them to indulge in anything that Americans like to do. Even things like bowling halls and pool halls have died out in their areas, and the businesses that thrive are the ones that cater to them.

Suffice it to say I think the largest factors in increased competition are youtube and proliferation of fairly cheap, capable detectors. I remember the year after the AT Pro came out, used to hunt a beach that only allowed detecting after labor day and me and 3 or 4 guys at the most would be there at the crack of dawn hunting in the water. When the AT came out there were dozens of guys, so much so that I turned around and left, I felt like it was a bunch of kids on an easter egg hunt. Before then you had to spend around $1.5K to hunt in the water, cutting that price in half was a wise move for Garrett.
 
Before then you had to spend around $1.5K to hunt in the water, cutting that price in half was a wise move for Garrett.
Yup...that's what I had to pay for my CZ-21 to get into the water back in the day. And you're right, there weren't many of us water boys back then compared to now.
 
Yup...that's what I had to pay for my CZ-21 to get into the water back in the day. And you're right, there weren't many of us water boys back then compared to now.
As most know I am a YouTuber ! I don’t do it for the money in fact I don’t even make any on my channel ;) When I first started over ten years ago it was because I was sick and dying of cancer :( I didn’t know how much longer I had so I made videos for my friends and family to look back on and to enjoy seeing me happy . After being on YouTube for awhile I developed a great following of amazing friends and family and that has kept me on YouTube ;) I do it for fun and I don’t burn spots as I’ve learned the hard way from that ;) my videos often show me all over the place so it’s hard to narrow down where I’m at and I try not to show landmarks when I find a area that’s producing. Now I have never had a newbie ask me to show them the ropes or anything like that but I have gotten lots of messages about cheap detectors and if they are good enough to find the goods ? Now I tell them when I got started you had to have a few grand to do this and now that we have machines under $300 bucks that are killer machines especially for beginners. I agree I think YouTube inspires people to look for treasure but the price of machines today has made everyone with a few hundred bucks go out and get one to try there luck, I would probably agree that those that think it’s all treasure due to some channels only showing the goods and the fact we have fakers who plant finds makes it harder on us but as I see it I’ve gone over areas others have hit newbies or oldies and I can usually find stuff in there tracks .
 
As most know I am a YouTuber !....

Romy, I think I can speak for everyone here : Whatever this "rant" post is about (supposed "too much competition" or "giving away tips", blah blah), has no bearing whatsoever on your videos. EVEN if someone could deduce your spots.


Trust me bro : Your videos are fun, passionate, not staged, not exaggerated, not lending to any "gripes or rants", etc....
 
Increased competition is here to stay, it is not going to slack off due to fortune seekers losing interest. Yes, a certain % will not remain, they will be replaced, and more, by a certain % of new fortune seekers from youtube. Its a continuous cycle and has to be dealt with like pesky mosquitoes - Maybe we should put out our own videos detailing nothing but the trash and falsing to give perspective to fortune seekers, leave the rings in the pouch !
But it is true, most are not really a threat, I have watched guys swinging with their coil half a foot off the sand at breakneck speed, they would be very unlikely to find anything, and hell no, I didn't enlighten them. One guy I decided to be friendly with and said hey, any luck ? He just grunted and kept going without a word, acting like he couldn't hear me with his headphones on. I ended up finding 2 rings in areas he already gridded off, thats what I call poetic justice.
I have made a point of scanning open holes and the area around them left by water hunters I can see ahead of me. One of my best days years ago I followed 2 guys that left wakes as they hunted ahead of me after practically running to get wet before me!! I found 6 gold rings (one with diamonds, and one I had been searching for that belonged to one of my plumbing customers that he had lost as a 12 year old 40 years before I found it and the rest wedding and signet rings)! As the guy's walked on dry sand past me heading back to their car I held up one of the gold rings and shouted to them that they had missed one! Not any reaction on their part! ( the 40 year recovery was written up in the Hartford Courant Newspaper!)

CJ:chaplin:
 
Most tubers do it for fun , trust me my views and subs ain’t making me rich lol

I also don’t show any of my honey holes

It’s funny too I was told people want to see these tings

Start to finish no cuts
Trash finds
Real world detecting

Coincidentally these videos are also my absolutely lowest watch videos
 
Most tubers do it for fun , trust me my views and subs ain’t making me rich lol

I also don’t show any of my honey holes

It’s funny too I was told people want to see these tings

Start to finish no cuts
Trash finds
Real world detecting

Coincidentally these videos are also my absolutely lowest watch videos
If the video is longer than 20 minutes I won't watch it. That's my cutoff on time investment for that.
 
True... but it doesn't mean a newbie who doesn't know his machine like the back of his hand will find more gold than a guy who knows his machine... remember the tester who posted videos with what he said was the best machine? He didn't know what he was doing at the beach... he was a rookie trying to come off as something he wasn't... never saw the guy even dig a piece of gold that wasn't planted.. always would say "might be gold" they come and go KOB ignore them... you know how much gold you have found in your time hunting... newbies are no threat to be honest... I have seen new guys at the beach and just snicker at them because I watch them and they have no clue what they are doing...
same on the Florida beaches. I have seen and talked to many beach hunters over the years. Probably 90% are down in FL for vacation and most have detectors that are really not good for wet ocean beach detecting and even some who just bought their detector a few weeks before their Florida vacation. You are right they might stumble on something good in dry sand, but when hunting wet ocean beaches they are clueless. There is one detectorist who hunts a certain Florida beach wet sand 2-3 times a week for years and posts videos of his hunt and finds on youtube. All he ever finds is light junk, light tackle, pop tops, bobby bins etc. Never any jewelry or almost never. He clearly does not know how to read a beach and hunt areas where you are likely to find jewelry. I won't name his name so as not to start a posting war.
 
Fair enough
My preference is not showing all the pull tabs and foil/can slaw you dig or all the clad. Junk jewelry is fine to show or anything else interesting that is not the above boring culprits. I'm with Felix on the 20 minute limit. It's ok to combine several trips worth of edited digs combined to make one video as Savanah Harps does. He's got this video thing down pat.
 
Every beach I go to has been pounded. I don't fear the zoomer with a manticore who watches youtube.
The retired boomer with all week free is who I watch out for!
 
Romy, I think I can speak for everyone here : Whatever this "rant" post is about (supposed "too much competition" or "giving away tips", blah blah), has no bearing whatsoever on your videos. EVEN if someone could deduce your spots.


Trust me bro : Your videos are fun, passionate, not staged, not exaggerated, not lending to any "gripes or rants", etc....
Thanks Tom yeah I try to do things differently on my channel and glad it’s getting positive feedback I am gonna get goldzilla on the beach this summer quite a bit and that should be a lot of fun hunting with a enormous coil towed by E-Bike down the beach .
 
I started to get on the YouTube posting bandwagon like 6 or 7 yrs ago.. I found it tedious and mostly just to time consuming. I knew/know a few guys that got consumed by it. Obsessed with the metrics of making a dollar with YouTube algorithms and all the bs that went with it. I made my videos when conditions were decent I was sure NOT to post those videos for months afterwards. Guys who hit a HOT spot and immediately post it up with where they are etc are simply idiots who are asking for those spots to get raped ASAP... Post AFTER the area has cooled off... and try not to show or tell where you are...
 
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