"Help me learn to hunt" requests. How to handle?

I certainly see what you're saying and don't fault you for your mindset..

First of all trying to teach someone a trade is not for everybody. It means you totally forget trying to accomplish anything for yourself and sacrifice your day for them. If I had to work a full time job it is unlikely that I would help someone learn simply because I want to hunt myself.

Some people love helping others.. Like flying RC... send them to the "trainer" they like to train.. I don't, I want to fly. Every time I help someone they realize the expense in doing it right and soon bail or go back to cheap foamy planes.. The comparison is the lack of MDers, there is not a local hero.

As far as MD'ing I would help someone get started, they can even go with me. They would be better off to come over to the house a few evenings and let me show them how to run the machine and dig a plug. If they will take notes that is a plus. MY # 1 peeve (I was an automotive instructor for 7 years) is to have to tell you the same thing over again..

Not, much rivals having trained someone how to do something and them do it right or even better than you. A good student makes it worth it. But they are few and far between. I am a sucker though and will do exactly what I don't want to Once I start talking to someone. Sharing is fun when you have the time.

You touched on it perfectly. Sacrifice. I already sacrifice a great deal during the week - raising two kids - working full time (wife, too) and the weekend is precious time. I think this is the perspective missing from my original post. Thank you.
 
Anyone who has posted on this forum looking for information regarding anything about metal detecting,research or how to ask permission has already found the source for all they need to know. I have learned alot and continue to learn from reading posts and following advice and links from others. Learning how to do research has been facinating to me as its like following a trail of breadcrumbs. On source leads to another and then another door opens. I just find it interesting and have become alot more interested in history as a result. When I got my detector I dug alot of stuff to see what my machine was saying and have alot better idea now and dig less trash. My thanks go out to those that do post valuable and time saving information. I feel lucky to have found this forum and glad I can be apart of it as well.
 
Helping Newbies

First off I am a Newbie, I got my first detector in early December. I think I was fortunate in my choice of the Minelab Xterra 705 GP, It is an OTB detector, with every function being Automatic, but everything can be adjusted also. I am learning my MD and probably will be for months if not longer. I go search and If I encounter a problem (I always find something I need to learn more about). I come home and read everything I can find and watch videos and make whatever adjustments to my MD I need to make. Sometimes I just need to understand a function better. Anyone can do the same! I would never even consider asking someone to take me out and show me how to use my MD. When I am confident with my MD and know I understand it well enough go out with other MDers and find similar targets as they are finding, I will join a club and maybe start doing group hunts. Once I have knowledge to share I have no problem at all with taking someone out and helping them any way I can.... Good Luck and Happy Hunting.....:biker::digginahole::biker:
 
teacher

Last year was my first summer of detecting. Most of what I learned, I learned(and am still learning) on sites like this one. I think, that these days the internet is a great if not THE best tool one could have.

That being said.........my father bought me a metal detector when I was young back in the 80's. I had nobody to teach me anything and information wasn't as easy to access as it is now with the internet. So......that detector was basically used once or twice and collected dust. I would have loved to have a teacher back then......since my father knew nothing about the hobby either lol.

These days though, I think there is no excuse. It's all right here for anyone who wants it. I'm still on here during my free time reading the forums and picking up tips here and there. If I can do it anyone can. I've asked people opinions and thoughts in different postings and in private messages and for the most part people have been pretty good.

If someone asked me to teach them.....I think I would point them hear and tell them to spend a few weeks every night reading. :)
 
Pocket spill, I know exactly what you meant in your post. It is unfortunate that some took it the wrong way...that is a problem with message boards. No, expression/emotion and 10,000 viewers. Inevitably some that fit the model get their feelings hurt and some that don't fit the model, because they meet one qualifier get their feelings hurt when they are not in the model at all.

You have a MD issue but can't discuss it. Which IMHO Is people that want to scrape the cream off the top and never put forth any effort..qualifying the deserving ones seems to be difficult. anyone reading this knows there are people out there that want the quick and easy...there is no quick and easy.

My first lesson would be for a MDer to read their instruction book and dig me a 5 gallon bucket of trash. At that point they would know enough to be able to apply the knowledge to a decent location...if they were still interested then I would feel a little better about my sacrifice..because that is what it is..

TIME, giving it is the greatest thing you can do and I don't blame you for wanting to make sure people that are worthy of it receive it. If people don't get it maybe they will after helping others while robbing it from themselves or their family.

That being said this forumn can teach anyone anything they desire to know about mding
 
imagine if everone who metal detects has the attitude "NO I won't help you learn to metal detect!"

what would that say about us as a group?

I'm a very outgoing person, who is always happy to help - if a newbie would ask me or pm me for help I'd say hell yes - meet me in some park somewhere

if knowledge is not shared it is lost, forever
 
imagine if everone who metal detects has the attitude "NO I won't help you learn to metal detect!"

what would that say about us as a group?

I'm a very outgoing person, who is always happy to help - if a newbie would ask me or pm me for help I'd say hell yes - meet me in some park somewhere

if knowledge is not shared it is lost, forever

I like to help to, but getting burned a few times makes you say " na, I think I'll pass."
 
Well, here's my perspective as a new detectorist. There may be some "freeloaders" out there, but this hobby doesn't strike me as the type of activity to attract freeloaders. As a newbie, I expect to "pay my dues" as you say. As a matter of fact, I've had several offers to get together with experienced MD'ers, but I have yet to take anyone up on the offer. My reason? -I want to have at least a pretty good idea what I'm doing so I can be an asset & not a burden. I'm doing my homework on this site & others, as well as researching sites, & practicing in my own yard & my own researched sites. I look forward to, when I do a group hunt, to perhaps inviting some folks to my local fave spots that I've discovered. Sure, I expect to learn things when I do a get-together, but not by way of someone holding my hand for hours and wiping my nose for me. I expect to learn more by doing, by observation, by casual conversation, & maybe an occasional question. I don't think any newbie expects you to spend the 5-10 hours you mentioned to teach them. Hey, I could be wrong & there are 100's of freeloaders lurking here, but that's not my take so far. This activity seems to attract the rugged individuals who like figuring most things out on their own.
...this is why my 38 year old freeloading sister that still lives with mom & dad will never take up metal detecting ...LOL
 
I wasn't a member here for but a few days & a VERY experienced MD'er asked me if I'd like to join him at his favorite spot...which just to happens to be 5 minutes from my house - (2 HOURS) from HIS house

I took him up on his offer (my 1st beach hunt) and I learned a hell of a lot!

I was having problems with black sand so he would mark good signals with his ultra high end detector (X in the sand) & see if I could get a good beep as well

this "teacher" was having just as much fun as I was, by sharing his knowledge of metal detecting

it's guys like that that make this hobby great, not the guys who'll tell a newbie to go pound salt
 
this place has 21,000+ users..with two or three new ones a day.. He may only be talking about 10 people and very likely less. With a Full time job, commuting, church, ball games, chores, whatever..very little time is left. Time is at a premium.

Really, if someone wants to spend their time doing their thing the one day a week they get to do it, what's wrong with that?

His only mistake was in thinking he could talk about it here with like minded people and not get smoked for it. Not all aspects of anything are warm and fuzzy.
 
As a new person I can see your point. I have been thankful for the forum members that have shared some insight with me. In return I try to provide them with some potentially good sites to hunt. I don't think it is a bad thing to turn down a person who wants something for nothing. There really is nothing free in this world so why would learning a hobby be any different. There are a couple places that I would like to keep to myself but due to others being helpful I feel they deserve the opportunity to hunt them with me. Manners and thoughtfulness go along ways when asking for help!
 
His only mistake was in thinking he could talk about it here with like minded people and not get smoked for it. Not all aspects of anything are warm and fuzzy.

I don't think anybod'ys feelings were hurt. Just people offering different perspectives on this thing called a "forum".
 
pocketspill

So what you are saying is new people to metal detecting are beneath you? this fourm is a way for some people like myself to ask questions and that is how we do our research. i don't think its to much to ask to give a few pointers every now and then. just like when i started the thread asking about getting permission, your response to me was "that question has been ask 100's of times start reading"... no pointers...just start reading. i was just asking for everyon's opinion and i felt as if you didn't have time for a newbe.
 
Something I've been thinking about. I get emails or PMs regularly from people wanting me to help them learn to use their new detector or learn how to find places to hunt.


  • We have so little time to enjoy our hobby with busy lives.
  • Detecting takes time and patience to enjoy.
  • Permission takes courage and time.
  • Research takes energy and sacrifice.
  • The reward is in overcoming these challenges and then joining someone who has also invested in the effort.

Am I alone in this way of thinking?


postscript: This post was not a complaint about new detectorists!!! Some responders have interpreted it that way. I'm talking about freeloading. I altered the topic of the post to make it less negative.

You have placed yourself out there, your choice, in front of many individuals that are new to the hobby and if you do in fact get many PM's and emails requesting your help and I'm not saying that you don't, perhaps you should be a little humbled to know that you have aspired so many people wanting to be as good as you. It's isn't always easy to ask for help or put yourself out there in a situation where you can be rejected.

  • All of us have so little time to enjoy our hobby with busy lives.
This is why so many of us spend our time sharing what we know and helping each other learn the hobby here on the forums and or websites/blogs.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, All of the other bullet points are nice when you and another enthusiast have taken the time to invest into the hobby and neither of you expect anything from the other, except to detect together and share that comradeship.

I would like to believe that if one would spend just time helping out a fellow human being and pointing them in the right directions to become as proficient as you, yes, I know that can take an extended amount of energy and time. This could pay you back in the long run with yet another experienced metal detecting enthusiast and open even more doors of opportunity for yourself and others.

You can be the selfish W.C Fields of our hobby;
Go away kid you bother me. Well.... How much can you pay me?

Or you can be the giving human being that pays it forward and stands as an inspiration to those who come after you in this hobby.
 
Just think of as you are setting others on the right path, to help protect your interests. The more people you get started, there will be more people out there to guide others through the initial rough spots. The people you just helped, are still new to the hobby, something more closely in common, with someone who just bought their first detector. You can talk and read all you want, but you don't start really learning, until you get out and start digging. I don't think sacrificing an hour or two, a few time during the year is going to hurt that badly. I've had months in a row, where it was almost all trash and junk, still fun, still learned, but the time could have been better spent.

We are all different, and there is no real good way to know a man's character, until you spend some time. Just like you aren't going to find any treasure, if you don't dig any holes. Not everyone you meet up with, is going to fit your standards, nor will you fit theirs. Just being new and confused, doesn't make anyone a bad person, but you do have the opportunity to make sure they start of right, when the venture out of their own yard, hitting the local parks, private properties in your area, maybe even you favorite spots. If you are swing out in the open, publicly, it's not your person spot anymore. People see you, watch you dig and dance around, when you find something nice. Will a new guy know you had to get permission from an owner? Or will just assume it's okay, because he saw you there? Would you still have permission, if the owner things you invited friends, who weren't as careful as you?

It should probably be added to the Code of Ethics, to help the novice. We all feel the burn of these beginning efforts, why let them keep repeating, every time someone new takes up the hobby? It only takes one messed up minefield park, to really strain our chances of being allowed to detect, or gain future permission. I have fun finding things, whether it has value or not. I don't think it would be fun getting blamed for somebody else's mess, or have to take the time trying to fix it up some, so as not to draw too much negative attention.

We all learn from making mistakes, we pay our dues, and try to do better next time. Part of our dues, is to help people avoid making the same mistakes we regretted most. The time you invest in a novice, is also time you are investing in yourself, and the hobby. I couldn't imagine trying to teach anyone, every fine detail, or all aspects. You there will be people, who expect that, who would call you anytime, any place, with some pretty trivial questions. I think I'd tell the to call their dealer, or the manufacturer...
 
Don't mind Newbies, it's the "Old Hands" I can't stand...

I love teaching newbies the "secret" to metal detecting - that there isn't one.

It is the "experts" that I hate hunting with. They have overthought every aspect of the hobby, and can't leave the house without their pinpointer. They always have a problem with the location you picked out, your machine, or settings you're using. They have always found one of those before, or an older one, or newer one. They want to spend half the day talking about how great they are and why they are such an expert. They tell you why you'll never be successful with THAT machine, and if you would just "do it like this," you would find much better stuff.

Oh no, tell them new folks to call me! :laughing:
 
I love teaching newbies the "secret" to metal detecting - that there isn't one.

It is the "experts" that I hate hunting with. They have overthought every aspect of the hobby, and can't leave the house without their pinpointer. They always have a problem with the location you picked out, your machine, or settings you're using. They have always found one of those before, or an older one, or newer one. They want to spend half the day talking about how great they are and why they are such an expert. They tell you why you'll never be successful with THAT machine, and if you would just "do it like this," you would find much better stuff.

Oh no, tell them new folks to call me! :laughing:

:lol::lol::lol: YES

That's too funny. I was once at a Civil War relic / MD shop, Sgt. Rikers. I said to the owner "Can I ask you a question, since you're the expert on CW relics?"

He said "No, you can't, because I'm not an expert. An expert is someone who claims to know everything there is to know about it, and I certainly don't. But I do know the answers to some questions, so you can ask me and we'll see if I can help"

I thought that was such a great response. I realize we all love showing off our finds and our machines, that's human nature. But there gets to be a point where enough is enough, no? So I agree, hunt with an "expert?" No, thanks. :laughing::lol::lol:

(PS, I don't leave home without my pinpointer :()
 
pocketspill

So what you are saying is new people to metal detecting are beneath you? this fourm is a way for some people like myself to ask questions and that is how we do our research. i don't think its to much to ask to give a few pointers every now and then. just like when i started the thread asking about getting permission, your response to me was "that question has been ask 100's of times start reading"... no pointers...just start reading. i was just asking for everyon's opinion and i felt as if you didn't have time for a newbe.


Wow!

Prime example of what's being discussed here. You weren't asking for "research" help, you were asking to be given "good" sites. Please show us where your question was regarding "research", and I'll personally answer it myself.

I live in the huntington / milton area. Anyone know any good dig sights in my area?


Below you say you've already learned a lot. How? By reading posts? You only have 10 at the moment, and I haven't seen any of them too specific, other than the one above. Reading IS Fundamental ;)

Great fourm have all ready learnt a lot
thanks all

Your other post regarding signed permission, did you use the search function for "written permission"? If you had, you would have possibly understood Pocketspills reply, because I just did it and found plenty of posts about it being discussed before. He didn't lie to you, he wasn't rude, he simply stated fact, yet somehow you think he believes you're beneath him? :roll:

Sorry, and I'm sure you'll think I'm a big old meanie too, but you may want to re-read the original post here, then read some of your own.
 
pocketspill

So what you are saying is new people to metal detecting are beneath you?
this fourm is a way for some people like myself to ask questions and that is how we do our research. i don't think its to much to ask to give a few pointers every now and then. just like when i started the thread asking about getting permission, your response to me was "that question has been ask 100's of times start reading"... no pointers...just start reading. i was just asking for everyon's opinion and i felt as if you didn't have time for a newbe.

"beneath me?" That couldn't be further from what I think.

On one issue, you were correct. I regret the terse response I gave to the permissions question - I should have taken the time to put some URLs to good threads in there rather than sending you to the search box.
 
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