Vaccine

Rudy said:

Yeah, because it makes sense to put the cardiac cases together with the covid cases.

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Not arguing that point, but because of covid did they do away with ICU for other patients that need it? Thought it was Intensive Care Unit, not Intensive Covid Unit. Using that logic, if you are sick and require treatment for something other than Covid, well sucks to be you??? You would think they would have something sectioned off so they can still treat other patients.

T-Man said:

Not arguing that point, but because of covid did they do away with ICU for other patients that need it? Thought it was Intensive Care Unit, not Intensive Covid Unit. Using that logic, if you are sick and require treatment for something other than Covid, well sucks to be you??? You would think they would have something sectioned off so they can still treat other patients.

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You are actually making a point for how I feel.

COVID-19 is very REAL and very WIDESPREAD and because of that ICUs across the country are overwhelmed!

T-Man said:

Not arguing that point, but because of covid did they do away with ICU for other patients that need it? Thought it was Intensive Care Unit, not Intensive Covid Unit. Using that logic, if you are sick and require treatment for something other than Covid, well sucks to be you??? You would think they would have something sectioned off so they can still treat other patients.

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Yes, we are at the point, in many parts of the country, where Doctors are having to decide who gets treated, based on who they feel has a better chance of survival. We have four major hospitals in our county and one ICU bed available as of yesterday. Setting up "MASH" like hospitals is being looked at, but the problem is that we are also out of trained Doctors and nurses.

And with all the traveling that went on during the holidays, January is going to be worse.

And through it all we are sending billions of dollars to other countries, funding museums that are closed and putting more aside to open new ones. Just think of all the covid wings we could open in hospitals, Dr's that could be trained/ cross trained to deal with it if Covid relief actually went to covid relief. Stopping here before it descends into a big political debate.

They say that the vaccines have to be kept at extreme cold temperatures. How many doctors or hospitals have that requirement available?

Silversmith45 said:

They say that the vaccines have to be kept at extreme cold temperatures. How many doctors or hospitals have that requirement available?

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So far only the vaccine made by Pfizer needs the extreme cold storage. The one from Moderna also requires refrigeration, but it is well within the capabilities of pharmacy and hospital refrigeration equipment. I believe the requirements for the Pfizer vaccines are being met with dry ice.

Just yesterday I received a message from a coin collecting friend of mine that back in April a local coin dealer who had a heart condition went to the hospital for treatment but was refused and sent home. Two days later he had a heart attack and died. Did his life matter? Apparently not.
I've personally spoken to a nurse who works in a hospital near me and she said that they are not overwhelmed in the least and that there are plenty of available beds. Not all hospitals are overwhelmed.

diggin4clad said:

Just yesterday I received a message from a coin collecting friend of mine that back in April a local coin dealer who had a heart condition went to the hospital for treatment but was refused and sent home. Two days later he had a heart attack and died. Did his life matter? Apparently not.
I've personally spoken to a nurse who works in a hospital near me and she said that they are not overwhelmed in the least and that there are plenty of available beds. Not all hospitals are overwhelmed.

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First of all, ICU beds availability depends on where you are. Secondly, I fail to see the connection between the status of the hospital the coin dealer went to last April, with the status of your local area in December.

Here is an article on ICU beds availability in Connecticut, through early December
https://patch.com/connecticut/across-ct/icu-bed-update-heres-how-fast-they-are-filling-ct
Look at the graph showing Covid hospitalizations in Connecticut, in particular, look at what was happening with Covid hospitalizations back in April.

my experience with COVID

I've been away from this forum for sometime, but came back a couple days ago. I came across this thread and debated on whether I should share my experience with COVID, or just let it go. I guess the former won out. Last March my best friend came down with COVID. He is in law enforcement and was in the best shape of his life. He had no prior underlying issues, but yet he required three separate stays in the ICU. By the Grace of God, he came through and was able to return to his job. This past fall my uncle whom I never really had a relationship with passed away from COVID. He had several underlying issues, but still, his life was taken from this horrible virus.

My wife and I both trust the science and the doctors, so we've been religiously careful in not contracting the virus, but mid-November I made a series of small mistakes. I went into a Hobby Lobby to purchase a doll house for my daughter for Christmas and then afterwards went to Starbucks as I had a free drink that was going to expire. Later I visited some friends who share a similar hobby. We were masked and only chatted for ~30 minutes, but somehow I contracted the virus. At first I thought I had a sinus infection, but my doctor wanted to "be sure I didn't have COVID." She ordered the test and I came back positive. The first three days were "like a cold" with no real concerns. Day 4 my wife tested positive and I started to take a downward turn. Over the next few days the pain, apathy, insomnia, reduced oxygen, and confusion were nearly unbearable. Several days later my doctor advised me to take an experimental treatment similar to what President Trump was given and I gladly signed up. The first night after the treatment I awoke to the worst pain I had ever felt in my heart. When you hear of "stabbing pain," that's what I experienced. I am a believer in Christ and that night I meditated on his name and prayed continually. When morning came, I felt differently. Don't get me wrong, I was still very sick, but I could tell that things were getting better. Over the course of the next week and a half, my body gained strength and I returned to telework the second week of December.

That week back at work I felt good and thought the virus was behind me. I was making plans to see about giving blood to see if my antibodies would help anyone - but found out that because I got the experimental treatment, I could not. My family and I were looking forward to going inside Menard's to see the Christmas lights. Outside of Hobby Lobby in November, I hadn't really been in a store since the prior March. We went in Menard's that Saturday evening, wearing masks and socially distancing all the way. As we were walking around I noticed I was tired and didn't feel right, but largely ignored it as I was done with COVID. The tiredness continued into Sunday and by Monday I was ready to go back to see my doctor. As a precaution, a COVID test was ordered and once again I was positive. This was nearly a month after my initial diagnosis. The second bout of COVID was not at all similar to the first. Thankfully my O2 levels remained strong, but Christmas Eve morning, I awoke to horrible heart palpitations and pain. I went into the ER. That first bout of palpitations lasted a few weeks and made it nearly impossible to sleep. The palpitations became less pronounced as time went on, but then neurological symptoms took hold in early January. One night I awoke to numbness in all my extremities. My head and face felt like it was asleep similar to the feeling in your arm if you sleep on it wrong or completely pinch off a nerve. I got scared and once again returned to the ER. I didn't know if I was stroking out or having a seizure. The numbness gaveway later that week to the palpitations and horrid acid reflux. After not being able to eat or really drink anything for a week, back to the ER I went. Those symptoms have become less, but the extreme tiredness is back. The only way I can describe it is the feeling of heat exhaustion with palpitations and body flutters. The list of other symptoms is more than 25, but I'm just choosing to focus on what sent me to the ER.

What's so frustrating is that the ER can only do so much. They are great, but this variant of the corona virus is so new they're not sure what's the best course of action to combat the symptoms. Even more concerning is that the ER docs all said that they worry about the hidden damage from this disease that may pop up years from now. Are we going to see an epidemic of heart issues 10 years from now? They mentioned asymptomatic people are showing up with damage to their organs. It's concerning what may come of all of this.

I did a plethora of heart tests including a stress test to see what was going on with the palpitations. The stress test came back very concerning and necessitated a cardiac cath. By the Grace of God, that heart Cath show absolutely no damage.

All the various symptoms have led me to different specialists - infectious disease, heart, sleep, neurologist and I'm weighing my options on seeing a gastroenterologist. So far however, they all know my struggles are real and I've been diagnosed with long COVID, but all they can offer is that they *think* these symptoms will pass in time. I joined a "long haul COVID group" and know of people who have been dealing with debilitating symptoms for nearly a year now. I am blessed. I had the strength to work 4 days this week. Yes, I effectively missed the last 2.5 months from work, but I do feel that there is improvement and I do take comfort in knowing my job is safe. Others I know have lost everything and are still dealing with symptoms.

I'm not looking for pity in this or hoping to change anyone's mind on whether they should take the vaccine or not. I just want people to know that this virus is not "like a common cold or the flu" for some of us. I take comfort in knowing that most people with not be impacted negatively by this horrible virus and that's what's driving their decisions. But please think, just because someone is overweight or has diabetes that doesn't mean they are any less of a human being than someone who is "healthy." I get so frustrated hearing "well he/she had pre-existing conditions." Do what you are going to do for yourself, but please be kind to others.

Thank you for sharing your experience firewxman!

Hi,

I believe in the science of immunology. However, the science of immunology and vaccines are two separate issues. Immunology is a science. Vaccines are a product manufactured by giant multi-national corporations in countries like China.

The vaccine pushers want to conflate the two issues.

Everyone's individual position on vaccines is a personal one, and should be respected. Unless it's politically motivated.

Here's my position, and it's based on logic.

A​

1. I've never been vaccinated for the Flu. I've never had the Flu. In fact, I haven't had a Common Cold in 25 years.

2. So many people I know who have the vaccine, end up contracting the Flu or developing other chronic health issues.

*So why would I take a vaccine? It doesn't make sense for me.

B​

1. The Common Cold is caused by a Corona Virus.

2. Science has never been able to create a vaccine for the Common Cold, even though such a vaccine would generate billions in annual revenue and save billions in lost productivity, medical costs etc.

3. So how did the pharmaceutical companies invent a vaccine for a Corona Virus (COVID) in just a year?

C​

Ask yourself the following questions:

1. Why the dramatic response to COVID in 2020 and 2021 when the morbidity and mortality rate for Covid is no greater than the Cold and Flu Season 2019, 2018, 2017, 2016, 2015 etc? The government and medical establishment have lied about the statistics repeatedly. People are always getting sick and dying from viruses. It's been a part of the human experience since humans have existed. The same people who died from the Flu in 2017, are the people dying from Covid in 2020/21: the elderly, and people with co-morbidity factors like cancer, diabetes, heart disease, obesity, and otherwise compromised immune health. No one dies 'from' Covid. They die 'with' Covid. From complications aggravated by Covid.

2. Why are all doctors, nurses, scientists or other academics who challenge the official COVID narrative silenced, censored, and in many cases, persecuted, fired from their jobs or otherwise harassed? Things that make you go hmmmmmm?

3. The narrative from Fauci and the COVID Response Team has changed frequently. Why should we trust anything they say? Especially since doctors and hospitals are financially incentivized and pressured to code every illness or death as Covid related?

4. Why were all the small businesses and Churches closed 'to keep us safe' while all the Corporate business remained opened? Why is it safe to buy a sandwich and coffee at Wawa, but not at Bob and Sally's Corner Deli? Why is it safe to line up at a liquor store to buy NJ State Lottery tickets, but not safe to attend church?

5. Cloth masks are a useless defense against Covid. Covid is a submicroscopic particle of DNA or RNA. At 100X magnification, you would see the holes in a cloth mask, but the virus would still be invisible. You need a scanning electron microscope to see a virus with the naked eye. So why the masks? Because masks aren't about public health and safety, but compliance and control!

Your response to Covid is a personal one, and you need to make responsible choices. The best choices for 'you.'

The above is just my own personal viewpoint, and written off the top of my head. This isn't propaganda. Just one man's opinion.

By the way, Walmart's profit margin has increased by 70% since everyone started shopping from home and Patty's Neighbourhood Honey Shoppe went out of business because the governor of New Jersey told her she needed to close her business to 'keep people safe'.

No, there is no Patty, but you get the idea.

End of lecture.

JD

Thanks for relaying your experiences Firewxman. You've certainly had a lot
going on. Good that you made your way through it.
I think we all must know at least one person who hasn't been so lucky.

Thankfully after a long wait, my wife and I are both booked in for our
vaccinations this week.

~Alan~ said:

Thanks for relaying your experiences Firewxman. You've certainly had a lot
going on. Good that you made your way through it.
I think we all must know at least one person who hasn't been so lucky.

Thankfully after a long wait, my wife and I are both booked in for our
vaccinations this week.

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Hi Alan long time no see?

Both my wife and I have had the AstraZeneca vaccine two weeks ago (groups 3 & 4) no side effects at all not even a sore arm!

My appointment I booked through the internet and carried out at a mass vaccination centre. (Received a letter authorising me to book my own appointment.)

My wife was contacted by our doctors surgery and hers was done at the surgery.