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I've got a couple churches, including one just down the road from my house.. small places, old building. Who actually has the ability to give or deny permission at a church?
.... if the pastor says yes, then who the heck is going to argue with the pastor? .....
I've always found the minister, and not looked further. Jm2c.
Good question. And the same could be asked at city-level-bureaucracy too. For example : If the gardener at the city park says "go ahead", is that good enough ? Or should you assume he doesn't have ability, and seek out his boss ? So you go to the head of the park's dept. He says "go ahead" . Is that good enough, or should you go to the Mayor and city council ? Do you see how it can become never-ending ?
Same for a church : If their landscaper says : "help yourself", is that good enough ? Or if you go higher than him to a deacon . The deacon says "help yourself", is that good enough ? Or must you hear it from the pastor ? Heck, why stop at the pastor : Go up to the denominational headquarters located in another state. After all, ya-can't-be-too-safe, eh ?
At a certain point, it borders on ridiculous. For me : I do not argue with ANYONE who says "yes". Even if it's the little girl on the swing-set. Why argue with a "yes" ?
.... For public land, it technically comes down to what the law says. .....
....most, (if not all) city / county bylaws, there will be a section stating it is illegal to "disturb" public land....
Now personally I do not construe such things to apply to us. Since we leave no trace. Hence : We have not alterED or defacED anything, now have you ?
Ok, what about the "assistant minister" ? (if it were a larger church with more-staff like that). Must you go higher than him, to the senior minister ?
And, Oh me oh my, but .... what if it's a church that's in a larger denomination ? Such that : The headquarters are located in another state ? Such that this local minister has up-line over him, that he's accountable to. Shouldn't you therefore assume that the local guy isn't high enough, and proceed yet-higher up the chain-of-authority ?
And, Oh me oh my, but .... what if it's a church that's in a larger denomination ? Such that : The headquarters are located in another state ?
Not until someone notices all the dead circles a few days later. It must be a dog pee spot!
Also, when the plug is out of the ground, have you not "altered"?
.....What matters is who is going to see you dig, and who has the local authority to give you permission or not. ....
Here it is 4 hours later, and I bet Tom is still pondering the nuances of permission
Ok, what about the "assistant minister" ? (if it were a larger church with more-staff like that). Must you go higher than him, to the senior minister ?
And, Oh me oh my, but .... what if it's a church that's in a larger denomination ? Such that : The headquarters are located in another state ? Such that this local minister has up-line over him, that he's accountable to. Shouldn't you therefore assume that the local guy isn't high enough, and proceed yet-higher up the chain-of-authority ?