Success! Took about 15 minutes. He lost it in @ 2 to 3 inches of snow. When we got there, their was only a frost layer. Lucky for us. So I asked where he was standing and where he was shooting to. He showed me and their must have been @ 1,000,000,0000,000,000 shell casings. No way the detector was gonna work here plus you all know what a lot of people use as targets? Yeah! Aluminum cans. So I just started to trace his area back and forth. Picked 4 shiny .380 bullets that had not been fired and told the guy if we are finding these shiny bullets your ring should show too. I took another couple of steps and there it was. he was stoked and thanks to the "Lost my stuff" group he was able to contact me and we were able to find it. He will post on the group his story and pics. WOLF