Vortex 9.09

[Diga]

In the video hosted by Steve Moore which allegedely fixed this recent issue, Steve mentioned that the issue doesn't occur on all Vortex's that have the problematic update. If so, that means either the software or hardware is different between Vortex units. Given the software isn't different, then it must be the hardware that is different across Vortex detectors.

Most of the electronic components are sourced from China, and it's common for metal detector companies to have to source different components from different Chinese manufacturers throughout the life of a detector. These components may not have the exact specifications from what the Vortex required, or may have the exact specifications, but their tolerances are less. Or the specs and tolerances are identical, but some of the components are defective due to poor manufacturing and quality control standards.


That hardware type issue would explain why some of the Vortex's don't have the problem and it would also explain why Garrett can't properly fix the problem with software methods.

 

[Diga]

I am beginning to think that you may be right, that it may be a hardware issue. At first my thinking was that it was the lack of capable in-house engineers or programmers, but it may a hardware issue.

It still might be a software issue, but that's hard to imagine unless a very unqualified and woefully incompetent engineer / coder worked on fixing the problem.

On a side note, my 18 year old son, who doesn't detect watched the Youtube videos showing the 9.08 and the 9.09 issues and then watch Garrett's 9.09 "it's all better" video. He immediately said, "this guy is trying to hide what that thing is really doing!" I can't say that I disagree with him. Ignoring problems may be cheaper in the near term for Garrett, but in the long term it may cost them a lot of future sales and profits. Detectorist for the most part aren't going to use a detector or a company that they can't trust.

In the video, Steve goes over the large target and quickly moves to the coin and does the short wiggle over it. He doesn't do a normal sweep. Also notice that even when he does do the short wiggle over the coin, the coin is not immediately detected. The coin is first ignored, then it has a very trashy and scratchy tone, then it finally gets a good tone. As such, I suspect that if Steve did a normal sweep, that coin would not have been detected at all.

I would also like to have seen what happens if he had ferrous disced out. I bet the outcome would have been even worse.

 

[SS_Wonder]

Maybe Garrett purchased a large quantity of old 8088 processors found in the corner of an abandoned warehouse?

 

[Coin-Saver]

In the video hosted by Steve Moore which allegedely fixed this recent issue, Steve mentioned that the issue doesn't occur on all Vortex's that have the problematic update. If so, that means either the software or hardware is different between Vortex units. Given the software isn't different, then it must be the hardware that is different across Vortex detectors.

Most of the electronic components are sourced from China, and it's common for metal detector companies to have to source different components from different Chinese manufacturers throughout the life of a detector. These components may not have the exact specifications from what the Vortex required, or may have the exact specifications, but their tolerances are less. Or the specs and tolerances are identical, but some of the components are defective due to poor manufacturing and quality control standards.


That hardware type issue would explain why some of the Vortex's don't have the problem and it would also explain why Garrett can't properly fix the problem with software methods.

So you are really saying that the algorithm chips from HoDungDong are better then the ones from WeBescwewed China? Very interesting.

 

[Coin-Saver]

You have no idea what your current detector is missing. None of us does.

I remember quite well that the Garrett AT Pro got the same hate when it was new. Now, where does it rate? Yes, ignorance can be bliss.

You're missing the point CP. Anyone who has detected more than an hour knows deep down inside that they miss stuff and their detector will not hit EVERYTHING. But we want our detectors to lie to us, caress us, tell us B.S Stories. Not scream in our face....."Hey dumbass, ya missed another one" After all most of us are getting older and just don't have the time to deal with a loudmouth detector that reminds us of how much money we wasted. Let's face it, You love the abuse but at a discount price and THAT is why you're holding out and refuse to pay full price.

 

[tnsharpshooter]

So did the behavior really exist in all public firmware versions ? Hmm
If so folks were running around for months doing what? Hmm
They were none the wiser huh.,
And this wasn’t addressed until some users showed videos.
It doesn’t mean the company didn’t know about the problem beforehand (before the videos where shown) does it.. hmmm
And why was no actual testers after release showing the detector screen and letting folks hear the audio while detecting? Hmmmm
Yeah the testers would turn on the camera after hole was dug while using a supposed vortex. Hmmm
Go look at latest Deus 2 hf2 coil video done by Mr Blackwell.
Did we ever see anything,like this with vortex? Hmmm

Lot of Hmms with vortex.

Moral of the story.
In today’s world with cell phones, video cameras, YouTube, etc.
You can run but you can’t hide bs!
The BS will leak out somehow someway.
As in the case with Vortex.

Be harder these days to peddle snake oil wouldn’t it.,
But if you like Blue the Vortex may be for you. Little rhyme there. Hmm

 

[Cherry Picker]

You're missing the point CP. Anyone who has detected more than an hour knows deep down inside that they miss stuff and their detector will not hit EVERYTHING. But we want our detectors to lie to us, caress us, tell us B.S Stories. Not scream in our face....."Hey dumbass, ya missed another one" After all most of us are getting older and just don't have the time to deal with a loudmouth detector that reminds us of how much money we wasted. Let's face it, You love the abuse but at a discount price and THAT is why you're holding out and refuse to pay full price.

LOL. True.

My reasons for wanting to give the Blue Mule a try personally are that I have some ideas of how the 2D screen can be helpful in my city park. I won't know until I have a chance to try. If it fails, then I mark the Blue Mule up as just another of the many new detectors, only with an advanced display screen. I still think the 2D screen is a plus over the other clones.

 

[Coin-Saver]

LOL. True.

My reasons for wanting to give the Blue Mule a try personally are that I have some ideas of how the 2D screen can be helpful in my city park. I won't know until I have a chance to try. If it fails, then I mark the Blue Mule up as just another of the many new detectors, only with an advanced display screen. I still think the 2D screen is a plus over the other clones.

I'll be interested in what you find when you get a manticore. Something tells me THA will be your machine.

 

[Cherry Picker]

I'll be interested in what you find when you get a manticore. Something tells me THA will be your machine.

I'm hoping also. The Manticore is in my sights, but I'm having issues with social security. My wife was put on SS last year, and told she would receive backpay to 2021. It never came. She calls SS and keeps getting people who say she should have gotten it by now, and they don't know why she hasn't. I tell her to ask for someone who knows why she hasn't received it yet, instead of wasting time with those who don't. She promised to buy my Manticore as soon as she gets it. I can't wait to give it a shot at the park. There are so many amazing coins left for the right detector, and I just need an inch or two to do the job.

Just another example of why I say this park is still full of amazing coins wanting to be found. This band has been playing every year since 1883 in Wright Park for a crowd of spectators.

 

[longbow62]

The 2-D Trace on the Manticore appears to be higher resolution than the 3-Teir ID on the Vortex. That being said, as much as I like having the 2-D trace on the Manticore I never found it to be anything like a game changer anywhere I used it. If you wanted to dig as few holes as possible cherry picking targets is the only scenario the 2-D screen would be the ticket. Other wise you shouldn't put your faith in it. At least not 100%.

 

[matt93]

The 2-D Trace on the Manticore appears to be higher resolution than the 3-Teir ID on the Vortex. That being said, as much as I like having the 2-D trace on the Manticore I never found it to be anything like a game changer anywhere I used it. If you wanted to dig as few holes as possible cherry picking targets is the only scenario the 2-D screen would be the ticket. Other wise you shouldn't put your faith in it. At least not 100%.

ESPECIALLY when it comes to relic hunting… CW buttons and bullets typically do not graph out very sharp.

 

[Diggerjonny]

I still have a Vortex with the original firmware from it’s release, wonder if it does it with this older version.Hmmmmm

 

[BLOODHOUND1970]

It still might be a software issue, but that's hard to imagine unless a very unqualified and woefully incompetent engineer / coder worked on fixing the problem.





In the video, Steve goes over the large target and quickly moves to the coin and does the short wiggle over it. He doesn't do a normal sweep. Also notice that even when he does do the short wiggle over the coin, the coin is not immediately detected. The coin is first ignored, then it has a very trashy and scratchy tone, then it finally gets a good tone.

I suspect that if Steve did a normal sweep, that coin would not have been detected at all.

I would also like to have seen what happens if he had ferrous disced out. I bet the outcome would have been even worse.

It’s has a lot of good people on it. A lot of laughs and politics (good or bad) and metal detecting discussions before the censorship of facts about Garrett’s recent blue turds and bad decisions.

agreed, the other forum where free speech is censored is much like a socialist country, no fun and slowly dying. (at least on one section of the forum.)

 

[NorthwestrnWIMD]

I still have a Vortex with the original firmware from it’s release, wonder if it does it with this older version.Hmmmmm

That would be interesting to see. Alot of us may have missed this issue

 

[CountyWorker]

That would be interesting to see. Alot of us may have missed this issue

Also need a retest on deep target ID. The last test I saw the Vortex was still not displaying an ID for deep targets that the Elite and TS were accurately IDing.