The MXT and DFX used a big foot coil those people I know who used them loved them, I think itsaring had one if I recall. I found one on fleabay
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tdi vs aq vs mtc
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Get a Deus 2. Manticore guys don't know what they are missing.
I'm not anti-Minelab, I've owned basically every one (Manticore, Equinox, Excal, CTX, Sovereign, Vanquish)... Deus 2 smokes them. I only kept my Sovereign and a Minelab PI.
White coat will gave something to say about that..
strick
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Nuggeteer Anti Inteference 12 X 4 On Tdi Pro
I've had this coil for quite some time, but it was packed away and forgotten. It was purchased for A$60 because I was intrigued. It is the anti-interference version. Measures 12 x 4 and uses the MInelab lower rod. Weight is decent, build quality is good. Performance in the field still remains a m...
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The 5.5x18 coil I keep calling a clean sweep is actually called a jimmy sierra T-foot dual field coil. I was thinking it was a dual field had to look it up. Good thread above.
Strick
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Lots of opinions out there, so I'll offer mine based on my personal experience. These days, seems everyone I see at the beach are running Manti's, which tells me there's a lot of newbies trying to operate a pretty complex high-end machine. But just because they're running a high-end machine doesn't guarantee they'll outhunt anyone or find deeper targets, just like buying a Ferrari doesn't automatically make you a race car driver. Are they wearing a good set of headphones? Are they swinging their coil properly, overlapping their sweeps, keeping their coil close to the sand, not 8" above like I've seen a lot of newbies do, lol.
IMHO, an experienced operator running a more modest machine can outhunt a newbie with the latest whiz bang detector. While detector depth is obviously important, experience and knowing how to operate your machine is also very important. But even more important is using the right tool, i.e., using the right detector technology for the specific conditions, as conditions at each beach can have a large effect on depth, depending on detector technology used. Beach conditions vary, some detectors might work better at one location, but not at another. PI technology is very deep, and SMF detectors can also be very deep, but it depends on the conditions at each beach and where on the beach they're hunting. A PI excels on black sand, wet sand, and under saltwater, but a Manti or other SMF with target ID would be a better choice for hunting the dry, due to all the trash typically found. PI's are all metal, all the time, no target ID or discrimination, so best used where there's not a lot of trash or iron.
I've been running a Minelab Sovereign Elite BBS with 12x10 & 15x12 SEF Butterfly coils for the last 15 years and recently picked up a White's Dual Field PI thanks to our own OBN. Keep in mind that detector depth on dry sand versus depth on black sand, wet sand and under salt water are two totally different things due to mineralization. My Sovereign is BBS (Broad Band Spectrum), which is SMF/Multi-Frequency. The Manti and most current detectors now use SMF technology. My BBS Sovereign goes deeper than my arms feel like digging, like the 2ft hole I once dug to retrieve the extremely rare kid's collapsed fruity drink pouch, lol. SMF technology has come a long way, so a Manti might be able to detect as deep as a PI on dry sand, but it's a totally different story when hunting over black sand, wet sand, and under saltwater.
My Dual Field PI works better, i.e., deeper & more stable, over black sand, wet sand, and under saltwater. Reason being is that SMF technology loses depth/sensitivity when over black sand, wet sand or under saltwater. There's not much mineralization on dry sand and dry sand isn't conductive, so SMF detectors are on a more equal playing field with PI's as far as depth. But salt water is conductive and highly mineralized, and when saltwater soaks into wet sand, the mineralization of that sand skyrockets which typically leads to a loss of depth for an SMF detector. But it's on highly mineralized wet sand and under saltwater where my Dual Field PI shines, as PI technology is unaffected by the heavier mineralization. PI's also function very well over highly mineralized black sand, which can wreak havoc on SMF detectors leading to a serious loss of depth. It's all based on the type of technology the detector uses, and where on the beach and the conditions where the detector is being used.
So, personally, IMHO, having the right tool for the specific beach conditions is key. When I hit the beach, I take my Sovereign BBS AND my Dual Field PI. I primarily hunt wet sand and shallow saltwater, so my PI is my weapon of choice. But if I'm at a new beach I'm not familiar with, I'll usually break out my Sovereign first to start working the wet, as it has auto iron rejection, so I'll use that first to determine if there's a lot of iron present. If there's not a lot of iron, I'll break out the PI. But if there's a lot of iron, I'll just continue using my Sovereign so I can save myself from digging a lot of worthless iron targets. If I feel like hunting dry sand, I'll also use my Sovereign to take advantage of auto iron rejection, and since the Sov has multi-tones that vary based on conductivity of the target, that gives me an initial audible clue as to what the target might be.
So, IMO, having a couple of detectors with different technology (PI & SMF) when hunting the beach gives the best possible chance to find desirable targets in a wide variety of conditions, and also minimizes and/or eliminates the threat of any competition. BTW, I find it interesting that the vast majority of guys I see swinging Manticore's always seem to be hunting on the dry. I might see 1 guy venturing down to the wet, but most seem to stay on the dry. That tells me they're either newbies, or looking for recent drops, or maybe they might be a bit on the lazy side and just prefer bebopping around. Digging in wet sand with incoming water is more challenging, and pulling buckets full of heavy wet sand is much more work that digging in lighter dry sand. And hunting and digging in saltwater is even more challenging due to incoming waves, rushing water, trying to keep your balance, etc. So, in my experience, I have a lot less competition when working the wet, and once I get into the water, I'm usually the only one hunting, all the others are up on the dry looking for easy pickings and easy digging.
Sand Hunter
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Wow, that's a crazy number of hunters. Looking at the pic, based on how they're all dressed, I'd venture to say that they're all probably going to be working dry sand, maybe some will venture down to the wet.
If you have a PI, I'd focus on hitting the wet & shallow saltwater, let all those others play in the dry. A PI has the advantage over the Manticore in highly mineralized wet sand and under saltwater. If you have waders or a wet/dry suit, then I'd take the PI out into the water. Even though there's 30 other guys there, you might wind up being the only guy out in the water, but it's in the water where a lot of gold & silver is found. I could be wrong, but based on the pic, doesn't appear to my eyes that those guys are prepared to venture out into the water from what I can see.
That said, I personally wouldn't be out in the water in the early am when it's dark. It's a nocturnal thing as I hear that's when the large toothy critters like to come close to shore to feed. So, I'd focus on hitting the wet until the sun comes up so you'd be able to see if anything is swimming in the water before you start wading in, lol.
Sand Hunter
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You have a TDI Pro and SL? Have you thought about trying to find a TDI Beach Hunter? If you get a Manticore, then you'll wind up being part of the crowd, swinging what everyone else is swinging. But if you get the TDI Beach Hunter PI, which is basically a waterproof SL, then you'll have the advantage when hunting black & wet sand, and when hunting in the water. Even if there's Manticore guys on the wet or in the water, the TDI BH PI will give you the advantage and more depth.
Like Surf Master said regarding his TDI BH, he has the 16+ volt mod, and it creates moisture inside the case due to the increase in heat. There is an in-between mod that raises battery voltage from 12 to 14+, not as high as the 16V mod, but possibly a happy middle ground. A bit more voltage for some more depth, but possibly less heat and moisture build up, although I would still pop some desiccant packets inside the control box just to be safe. The TDI BH is on my future wish list. I've heard that the threshold tone is very smooth, since it's basically a waterproof SL. The threshold tone on my Dual Field is chatty, a bit more like static rather than a nice smooth tone, like on my Sovereign.
Sand Hunter
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AND, re-release the TDI Beach Hunter PI, lol.I would buy 5 if they came waterproofPS Garrett are you listening you have Whites Technology , you want a hit seller Make a waterproof Tdi Pro
Thanks for putting up this short reply... your long posts amaze me... I just skip over them, I don't want my brain to explode with too much info... I'll read all 3 above during the winter months
Steve
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I have the tdi sl, pro, bh. Used to have a few dual fields but sold them. The guys over here don't hunt dry sand. All wet sand up to chest deep. There's nothing out past chest deep for reasons I won't get into. There's nothing in the dry sand either. Maybe a cellphone once in a while which I have no interest in finding. I was hoping to grab the new Nokta PI but at $9k and a coil that would not be beach friendly I decided to wait for a dumbed down version to come out.
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Surf Master
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Been waiting over ten years , don't think any Pi's for beach/ water hunter's are coming out , all nugget busters / multi Freq's in the 100s coming out !
Sand Hunter
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You're most welcome bossman, was the least I could do. Since I've been gone for a short while, I have a lot of words that built up so I need to get them released to lower the pressure.Thanks for putting up this short reply... your long posts amaze me... I just skip over them, I don't want my brain to explode with too much info... I'll read all 3 above during the winter months
Yes, by all means, feel free to save them, I'm glad to be able to help you pass some time during the cold winter months.
Sand Hunter
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I recently acquired a Dual Field PI to join forces with my Sovereign Elite. The TDI Beach Hunter is on my future wish list, it's the only other detector I'm interested in.
Surf Master
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Sand those 16.8 volt packs are for both my pros , on the BH I run close to stock , why even though the machine can take a bit more juice , it will create moisture in the waterproof compartment, Steve any of those hunters over their use a TDIPro in a homemade waterproof compartment ?
Sand Hunter
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Was just thinking about the moisture issue earlier today. Moisture/condensation is created by a large difference in temperature, usually cold vs hot/warm, like if you fill a glass with ice & water, and sit it on your table at home, the ice/water is very cold, but surrounding temperature is warm, so condensation/moisture forms on the outside of the glass.
So, I was thinking about the TDI BH. If you're out in the water waist/chest deep, or scuba diving with the control box under water, the temperature inside the box is warm/hot due to the higher V batteries. The outside of the control box is cool/cold water. There's gonna be hot temps in the box, but cold temps outside the box, which would create condensation inside the box.
But what if you didn't submerge the box? What if you were using the detector on the beach just working the wet and/or maybe wading in the water knee or thigh deep, and the control box never gets submerged? The outside of the box would be normal surrounding air temp, and the inside of the box would be warm/hot. But the difference in temps between inside vs outside would be nowhere near as great as if the control box was submerged in cool/cold water. 2 different disparate types of temps. Submerged you have cold/warm-hot, but without submerging you'd have warm/warm-hot.
Just a thought but I wonder if any TDI BH users who use the detector on the beach but don't submerge the control box have the moisture issue, or if it's only those who submerge the control box under water who get condensation inside the box.
Surf Master
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Might be worse , running higher juice inside a waterproof box will create moisture not cooled by the water like OBNs AQ when he submerges it , The sun will heat it ,then why some will crack it open & put sika bags , however you have to be careful because like the df clamps easy to open , the BH has screws that go through the box crack the plastic torque to much closing , there goes the best part of your machine waterproofing ! You want one better snatch that deal quick !
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I wonder how submarines work ? Maybe add a cooling fan with an exhaust port on the BH.
I still own about 5 dfx Bigfoot coils. Heck that's how I met my girlfriend. Talking dfx Bigfoot coils on forums. They have more than i do. The dfx ones at one time got up to $1200 on feebay.
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That's insane. Do they actually find anything? I would've thought they would just interfere with each other's signals constantly.
Here I was thinking the 3 or 4 regulars I competed with were a problem!!
