Electroscope long range locators

[Tom_in_CA]

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And so much more.

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Digger27: Your post is a breath of fresh air. Thanx for the trip down memory lane. And yes: They have an "out" line for every single failure. It's never that they "don't work". It's always things like "unfair test conditions", or "sun spot or lunar flare interference", or too much ions in the air that day, blah blah.

And if you ask them why we never see any big ticket treasures found, they have a couple of fall-backs :

a) They will show you a pix of jars of coins or stacks of gold bars. But it's always anecdotal . Ie.: You can never see it demonstrated double blind. It's always after-the-fact pictures, that we are supposed to believe were found with the wand. Or

b) They will assure you that their customers are indeed finding big ticket treasures. But the persons don't come out with their show & tell, because they're afraid of the IRS (taxes) and that thieves will target their homes. But rest assured: Treasures are being found.

It's almost comical. And my favorite for the failures:

3) The person "needed more practice'. If they tried it for a month, then they should give it a year. If they tried it for a year, then they should give it 2 yrs. And so forth till infinity. I mean, after all, md'rs don't find a gold coin on their first few outings, do they ? MD'rs need practice, right ? So why the double standard for LRL's ?

And sadly, these things are being sold in 3rd world countries , where they are less educated about the hocus-pocus, and perhaps their cultures are already smitten with dowsing. So when they see one with batteries and wires in it, they spend $ on this junk. Where I'm at in CA we have a lot of immigrants from Mexico, who come here to work in the ag. industry. And through an employee of mine, got introduced to a new arrival (who wanted advice on md'ing equipment). When he showed up to talk to me, he had an md'ing magazine in hand, and was pointing out advertisements of LRLs, that touted finding treasure from "a mile away", blah blah. And even had convincing pictures of guy posed next to jars of coins. It took me a long time, but I finally convinced him that it was bogus.

 

[TommyJay]

Ive seen them in treasure hunting mags, and I regard them as the 'Spanish fly' of metal detecting. I watched some vids about how they work, and it appeared theyre nothing more than dowsing rods hooked up to some type of oscillator.

Saw a vid of a guy using one. He pinpointed and area, went over to it....and wait for it....used a metal detector, and did find some coins!

....like he probably would have done anyway.

As others have said stay away, far away!

 

[DIGGER27]

I had forgotten that old thread was still around.

Rudy, discussion of these things have their place, a few websites and areas of specific forums where the guys that believe in this stuff can talk, brag or even lie about their found treasure or the equipment they use and I think that is perfectly fine and great they all have places to do just that.
However, when it spills over into forums like this and so much misinformation is trying to be spread around it is nice to know we have a logical, common sense, knowledgeable about actual science guy like you around here that can combat this stuff using real scientific principles and the truth.
I have been on this forum and have been contributing for over 10 years and have read a lot of your posts but except for your informative vacation threads, you seem to keep a low profile and don't chime in much but let the forum run its course while you seem happy to stay in the background.
Don't recall many instances where you get involved quite as much as you did in that old thread.
Just want to say thanks for stepping up when you think it is necessary, there might be more than one member around here that was actually spared the embarrassment and bad luck of losing a whole lot of time and especially money because of your, and others, interaction in sketchy things like this.
Thanks for watching our backs over the years...you are more than just a basic mod or admin and we appreciate it.

 

[DIGGER27]

Thanks for the links to these past threads on this subject DiggerQ!

Buyer Beware!!

I like going back to revisit the past, sometimes.
It was nice to see RickO pop up again, it was great to see the name Dustyloins too...it was almost like he was still alive and kicking.
Even he that shall not be named made an appearance with his strange opinions.
Fun and amusing to take a little trip back to another time.

 

[Tom_in_CA]

.... where the guys that believe in this stuff can talk, brag or even lie about their found treasure or the equipment they use ....

I would not accuse them of "lying", necessarily. Like when they post pix of coins or a cache or whatever that they found. They might be quite sincere, and may indeed have "used their wand" in the process. But here's how it works:

1) They research a likely zone to hunt : Eg.: Old ruins, a ghost town, and/or where it's already rumored that "grandma buried her stash somewhere back there".

2) Take out their wand and wave it around for an hour, to point at likely looking spots.

3) Then take out their detector to "pinpoint". Lo & behold, if/when you turn on a detector at "likely looking ruins", then is it any surprise that (gasp) you'll find metal ? Perhaps even a goodie !

And let's be honest: If you dig enough holes around enough likely looking ruins and tips you already had, then is it any surprise that you'll eventually find a goodie ? And then you can attribute it to the wand, right ?

For example, there's been frequent news blurbs of ditch diggers and const. workers and carpenters/demolition people accidentally stumbling on to goodies, while working, right ? Well then HOW MUCH MORE SO by people who are distinctly specifically looking around all the time ?

So I don't discount all their "finds". I just write it up to "eventual random odds". And that has nothing at all to do with the wands.

 

[georgeinsc]

If you buy one and claim that it does not work you will be told that you are not using it correctly.

You can find just as many gold and silver coins by taking two pieces of copper wire bent into an L shape holding one in each hand. When they cross go ahead and get your metal detector and start detecting. Sooner or later you will find the coin.

Save your money. They are all just built to remove the money from your wallet and notbhing else. Yes they are all a scam.

 

[Rudy]

Rudy, discussion of these things have their place, a few websites and areas of specific forums where the guys that believe in this stuff can talk, brag or even lie about their found treasure or the equipment they use and I think that is perfectly fine and great they all have places to do just that.
However, when it spills over into forums like this and so much misinformation is trying to be spread around it is nice to know we have a logical, common sense, knowledgeable about actual science guy like you around here that can combat this stuff using real scientific principles and the truth.
I have been on this forum and have been contributing for over 10 years and have read a lot of your posts but except for your informative vacation threads, you seem to keep a low profile and don't chime in much but let the forum run its course while you seem happy to stay in the background.
Don't recall many instances where you get involved quite as much as you did in that old thread.
Just want to say thanks for stepping up when you think it is necessary, there might be more than one member around here that was actually spared the embarrassment and bad luck of losing a whole lot of time and especially money because of your, and others, interaction in sketchy things like this.
Thanks for watching our backs over the years...you are more than just a basic mod or admin and we appreciate it.

Thanks for the compliment Digger. Yes, I try to keep a low profile most of the time, but can't resist piping in when my BS meter goes off, then I feel compelled to step in.

I think a forum is best managed when its management isn't obvious.

 

[Silversmith45]

If they worked, why wouldn't the inventor be using them to get rich instead of selling them? That is their way to get rich.

 

[Tom_in_CA]

If they worked, why wouldn't the inventor be using them to get rich instead of selling them? That is their way to get rich.

Ah but they have this push-back covered to. It's quite simple to show this statement is self-defeating. All you have to do is turn it around and apply it to detectors, to show a double-standard :

"If metal detectors worked, then wouldn't the inventor be using them to get rich instead of selling them ?"

See how that doesn't apply to detectors, thus why would you apply that to LRL's ? Tsk tsk.

They have an "out" at every single turn. You can never corner them. It's unfalsifiable .

 

[Rudy]

It just plain can't work purely on geometric grounds.

Suppose the target putting out this mysterious signal is spherical in nature, with a surface area of 1 sq. foot. Now, we know that the signal strength has got to be small, so that it requires this very expensive LRL detector to detect it.

Now, the signal that emanates from the target goes out in all directions, simply by symmetry since the target is a sphere. As the signal spreads out from the target, it must get smaller, just like the light from a light bulb diminishes as we move away from the bulb.

So the signal that was present at the target's surface gets diffused as we move away from the target. Supposedly the fancy LRL can pick this signal up from a mile away. The surface area of a sphere is given by A = 4 pi R^2

At a distance of 1 mile the signal is now diffused to 1/350,330,000 of what the signal was at the target surface.

I don't know how to electronically amplify such a small signal with a battery operated, hand held, device, operating at or near room temperature.

 

[SeabeeRon]

It just plain can't work purely on geometric grounds.

Suppose the target putting out this mysterious signal is spherical in nature, with a surface area of 1 sq. foot. Now, we know that the signal strength has got to be small, so that it requires this very expensive LRL detector to detect it.

Now, the signal that emanates from the target goes out in all directions, simply by symmetry since the target is a sphere. As the signal spreads out from the target, it must get smaller, just like the light from a light bulb diminishes as we move away from the bulb.

So the signal that was present at the target's surface gets diffused as we move away from the target. Supposedly the fancy LRL can pick this signal up from a mile away. The surface area of a sphere is given by A = 4 pi R^2

At a distance of 1 mile the signal is now diffused to 1/350,330,000 of what the signal was at the target surface.

I don't know how to electronically amplify such a small signal with a battery operated, hand held, device, operating at or near room temperature.

There you go again, getting all sciencey and mathy!!

 

[Tom_in_CA]

There you go again, getting all sciencey and mathy!!

Yeah ! He simply doesn't understand the un-discovered science. Tsk tsk

 

[Rudy]

There you go again, getting all sciencey and mathy!!

If I had just said the signal is attenuated by a factor of 350 million, people wouldn't know where I pulled that number from.

 

[Tom_in_CA]

... is attenuated by a factor of 350 million...

And you can't disprove that ! So repent !

 

[Rudy]

And you can't disprove that ! So repent !

 

[DbblTap]

I would not accuse them of "lying", necessarily. Like when they post pix of coins or a cache or whatever that they found. They might be quite sincere, and may indeed have "used their wand" in the process. But here's how it works:



1) They research a likely zone to hunt : Eg.: Old ruins, a ghost town, and/or where it's already rumored that "grandma buried her stash somewhere back there".



2) Take out their wand and wave it around for an hour, to point at likely looking spots.



3) Then take out their detector to "pinpoint". Lo & behold, if/when you turn on a detector at "likely looking ruins", then is it any surprise that (gasp) you'll find metal ? Perhaps even a goodie !



And let's be honest: If you dig enough holes around enough likely looking ruins and tips you already had, then is it any surprise that you'll eventually find a goodie ? And then you can attribute it to the wand, right ?



For example, there's been frequent news blurbs of ditch diggers and const. workers and carpenters/demolition people accidentally stumbling on to goodies, while working, right ? Well then HOW MUCH MORE SO by people who are distinctly specifically looking around all the time ?



So I don't discount all their "finds". I just write it up to "eventual random odds". And that has nothing at all to do with the wands.

"eventual random odds".

Perfect discription of my MD style!

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[Tom_in_CA]

"eventual random odds".

Perfect discription of my MD style! ....

Yes. This characterization (to dismiss and critique LRL's) can equally be used to dismiss and critique metal detectors. Right ? Therefore, let's be perfectly honest : Metal detectors don't work. They don't really find coins and goodies. It's strictly a bunch of us yahoos going out to likely looking spots, and digging enough holes, and then ... presto ... eventually a few of those random holes will have coins in them. Right ?

Ok, you win. I no longer believe in metal detectors either .

 

[Roman]

Has anyone had any HANDS ON experience with these Electroscope long range locators? I have heard many times ALL long range locators are a scam, but they ALL can't be. I've heard these Electroscopes are good for finding silver & gold coins from a short distance, then pinpointing them with a normal metal detector. Anyone?

From which website are you trying fo purchase this detector? Because have contacted them and they are very slow at responding emails , can you please send me the link to see if I have contacted the right one i want to buy from a legitimate company.
Thank you

 

[Rudy]

From which website are you trying fo purchase this detector? Because have contacted them and they are very slow at responding emails , can you please send me the link to see if I have contacted the right one i want to buy from a legitimate company.
Thank you

Roman,

You have been warned several times in your other thread about these Long Range Locators (LRL's) being a scam, yet you seem to keep insisting to buy one. Here is another thread from long ago, where these LRL's are discussed. You may want to read through these posts. If, in the end you do buy one of these contraptions, don't blame us.
https://metaldetectingforum.com/index.php?threads/questions-about-bob-fiztgerald-detectors.14310/

 

[hoser]

If, in the end you do buy one of these contraptions, don't blame us.

Those who won't listen will have to learn, those who won't learn will have to feel.