Nokta Makro Legend feedback, use, comparisons, etc

woodbutcher said:

Took my Legend,went across the road tonight. 3rd target was deep,bouncing from 40s to 50s,,and getting that silver squeal in there,that real high tone..Dug down the 7 inches of the shovels length,still in the hole..pulled out another big shovel full and it was in the dirt,,my first holed coin..I dug I think 3 more targets after that and called it a night..1836 dime from what I can tell...I’m loving this 6 inch coil,and the legend in general..sorry for the bad in field shot,there was no lighting around me so I used the pinpointer for light to take the pic..

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Fantastic woodbutcher !!!!!

The next step would have been to see if the unmasking issue only occurred with that exact foil scenario, or would it occur on other unmasking scenarios? It looks as though David's video proves it's a general unmasking issue.

Nokta needs to get MW's unmasking ability into a Park mode SMF. Even better, would be if they could get the 5 khz unmasking ability into a Park mode SMF.

It's looking more and more like I'm going to public with this on the official Nokta Facebook page, and the main Legend Facebook page.

Holy !!!! Woodbutcher. I can't believe you're still pulling coins out of that site. Yep, the Legend with the 6" coil is amazing!

Read through the stuff that was recently posted and perhaps try MW in Beach Mode if you can. Even better try the single 5 khz frequency in Park Mode, because as it turns out, MW is much better than M1, M2, and M3 for unmasking, but the single 4khz frequency is even much better than MW for unmasking.

jmaclen said:

Fantastic woodbutcher !!!!!

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Thanks jmaclen

Digalicious said:

Holy !!!! Woodbutcher. I can't believe you're still pulling coins out of that site. Yep, the Legend with the 6" coil is amazing!

Read through the stuff that was recently posted and perhaps try MW in Beach Mode if you can. Even better try the single 5 khz frequency in Park Mode, because as it turns out, MW is much better than M1, M2, and M3 for unmasking, but the single 5khz frequency is even much better than MW for unmasking.

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The Legend is just a really good machine imo. I think the equinox or Deus woulda hit this coin too,I would hope anyhow..But I’m more stoked about my first holed coin than the machine..lol
By the way,I never changed anything from last night,,M1,all metal,sens At 25,recovery at 5 and iron rejection or whatever it’s called at 4..

Digalicious said:

The next step would have been to see if the unmasking issue only occurred with that exact foil scenario, or would it occur on other unmasking scenarios? It looks as though David's video proves it's a general unmasking issue.

Nokta needs to get MW's unmasking ability into a Park mode SMF. Even better, would be if they could get the 5 khz unmasking ability into a Park mode SMF.

It's looking more and more like I'm going to public with this on the official Nokta Facebook page, and the main Legend Facebook page.

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Whatever Nokta can do to make the Legend even better than it already is will be totally fine with me.

woodbutcher said:

Thanks jmaclen



The Legend is just a really good machine imo. I think the equinox or Deus woulda hit this coin too,I would hope anyhow..But I’m more stoked about my first holed coin than the machine..lol
By the way,I never changed anything from last night,,M1,all metal,sens At 25,recovery at 5 and iron rejection or whatever it’s called at 4..

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Your recovery speed and iron filter are fine. Seriously though, try the single 4 khz.

jmaclen said:

Whatever Nokta can do to make the Legend even better than it already is will be totally fine with me.

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...and they will make it even better.

I've never seen a metal detecting company so committed to product improvement and customer satisfaction.

I will try 4 khz again..Just my opinion,and I'm not stating a fact but I've always believed metal detecting to be 90 % luck,and 10 percent skill..I still believe that.. I was just lucky enough to get over a coin I've waited on for a long time,was lucky enough for someone to lose it,,and had a little skill to be able to hear it..I don't want anyone thinking I'm insinuating any different cause this is a nokta legend thread. But damn man, I'll sleep good tonight.lol

Nice find Woody.

Tomorrow I may try and do some test with multi beach wet with coins and iron.
And show 5 kHz single freq too.
I think advantage may go to multi wet. But we will see.
At least give some info in case folks want to use beach wet like I did today.

Cheers.

tnsharpshooter said:

And show 5 kHz single freq too.

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I often make the mistake of saying 5 khz, when I meant 4 khz. It's easy to make that mistake because the next higher frequencies are 10, 15, and 20, so the brain naturally goes to 5 khz when thinking lower than those.

Digalicious said:

I often make the mistake of saying 5 khz, when I meant 4 khz. It's easy to make that mistake because the next higher frequencies are 10, 15, and 20, so the brain naturally goes to 5 khz when thinking lower than those.

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We’ll look at 2 lowest single freq ops and nails.
Nails may make use of these tough. We’ll see.
Modern trash whole other animal. We know it works in that stuff. Emi might be more problematic as well.
What I saw today using beach wet multi is more FBS/FBS 2 looking. I like that.
Odds are had I swept that one what’s turned out to be dime with square tabs with Equinox park 1 and 6” coil. ID would have suffered more vs what we saw with Legend in beach multi wet. Don’t think a 24/25 would have popped up in EQX meter.

Yeah. The truth is had I known that exact detecting scenario I would have left it intact undug. And Yes the ole EQx, Deus 2 and even Etrac with 6” coil tried on it. Too late now though. Such as detecting and life goes.

Folks will see more again soon. Hopefully.
Got an old house that I busted hard previously quite a few times.
Will go there with Legend and 6” coil and see.

That go pro can do wonders. In showing stuff. Talk is cheap. Showing the real deal via video better.

tnsharpshooter said:

Nice find Woody.

Tomorrow I may try and do some test with multi beach wet with coins and iron.
And show 5 kHz single freq too.
I think advantage may go to multi wet. But we will see.
At least give some info in case folks want to use beach wet like I did today.

Cheers.

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I gotta give you guys some credit for showing the difference in multi 1 and multi 2,,I might not have found this in multi 2,,I never rechecked and wish I would have now..thanks tnsharpshooter

David and Jeff,

I don't want to make an ass out of myself when I go full out public with this. So, I want to confirm with you two that you both think this is a serious issue. It is right?

David,

If we all agree that this is a serious issue that Nokta needs to fix by getting the unmasking capability of MW into Park's M1, then you will be responsible for significantly increasing the good finds of tens of thousands of Legend park hunters all over the world.

Digalicious said:

David and Jeff,

I don't want to make an ass out of myself when I go full out public with this. So, I want to confirm with you two that you both think this is a serious issue. It is right?

David,

If we all agree that this is a serious issue that Nokta needs to fix by getting the unmasking capability of MW into Park's M1, then you will be responsible for significantly increasing the good finds of tens of thousands of Legend park hunters all over the world.

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All I can honestly say about this.
Current park and field M1-M-3 programs can’t match current Beach multi wet program when it comes to giving more accurate ID of generally higher conductive objects with lower conductive trash nearby. This can also apply to lower conductors like US nickels and gold rings being affected by foil and other super low nonferrous maskers (junk).
Now use of lower freq seems is the why behind beach wets ability. In saying this this lower freq can pose problems with use in iron. One needs to remember the filter used in multi beach wet, is it the same as the soil based park and field programs? I doubt it. Based on user’s manual and what I witnessed today running it at lowest setting in a heavily iron laden site. Also of note. Is multi beach wet operating at same transmit power as the park and field programs? It may not be. IDK. Again this could be a factor. If power is turned up does this have any negative affects we are unaware of.
In saying all the above.
If Nokta Makro can indeed create a program that seemingly does what mukti beach wet does, and allow for ground balancing on soil. Machine overall much better.
Legend with 6” coil would be super duper standout performer in modern trash.
Better than Equinox with latest version software. And yes due to physics even can locate via select digging things that user of Deus 2 with 9” coil can’t do. Would be more in line with FBS detector with 6” coil in modern trash. This would be a good thing especially with what Legend cost. Granted though Legend would and still does offer performance on Mid and lower conductors FBS doesn’t offer imo.

Hope this helps.

PS
I will say this here.
If I had been prerelease Legend tester. And the detector was indeed set up more or less like it is now. I would have recommended what I have stated above. If Nokta Makro would have said NO to my recommendation. Then I would have ceased being a prerelease tester. Unit(s) would have been boxed up and sent back. In the year 2022. A VLF detector labeled as flagship or top of the line must perform in modern trash to be labeled as such. I wouldn’t even want to admit I was a tester for such a unit. When my name goes down on a unit I tested. It needs to be the real deal!!!

Turns out maybe I have been a Legend tester(just not official) after all. Go figure.

Thanks for that David.

How much of an issue is the ground balancing in MW? You seemed to be doing just fine in your video without ground balancing.

Out in the field today, I tried ground balancing in MW, and it successfully ground balanced to 20. With that ground balance, and on single targets, ID and depth were similar between Beaches's MW and Park's M1 to M3.

Digalicious said:

Thanks for that David.

How much of an issue is the ground balancing in MW? You seemed to be doing just fine in your video without ground balancing.

Out in the field today, I tried ground balancing in MW, and it successfully ground balanced to 20. With that ground balance, and on single targets, ID and depth were similar between Beaches's MW and Park's M1 to M3.

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My ground not highly mineralized. However not being able to GB can still pose issues. Depth and quality of tone/ID on deeper targets. As well as drive swing speed and or exact coil position to detect deeper targets.

I'm in mild ground as well, and that's likely why ground balancing wasn't an issue for me as well. I can see it being a huge problem in highly mineralized ground though.

One last question for you TNS, before I begin the write up.

In the foil test, the Nox's SMF outperformed the Legends M1, M2, and M3, but the Legend's MW outperformed the Nox's SMF.

Is that correct?

Digalicious said:

I'm in mild ground as well, and that's likely why ground balancing wasn't an issue for me as well. I can see it being a huge problem in highly mineralized ground though.

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I don't gb either,my soil seems pretty good with no falsing at all. Plus I'm in version 1.08 so I want the numbers to be the same ,they change after gb in that version

Digalicious said:

One last question for you TNS, before I begin the write up.

In the foil test, the Nox's SMF outperformed the Legends M1, M2, and M3, but the Legend's MW outperformed the Nox's SMF.

Is that correct?

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Correct.