sweetinsanity
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we hunt civil war areas. we leave it in all metal most of the time. we pull lead, cast iron, copper, brass,,,,, if it rings, we dig! my machine runs its hottest in the all metal mode.
Fairly new at this and need enlightenment. If a detector has both audio and visual indicators, and if it is supposed to go deeper in all metal mode, why use the coin/jewelry settings? Wouldn't it make sense to use all metal and choose your digs using the visual or audio indications?
I.E. Beep-N-Dig. It means you really just are guessing if its a good signal or a piece of trash, so if it makes a noise, you dig.
Contrary to what some will say, I have yet to have anyone produce a detector that can go AM and have accurate target ID below 8" consistently. None, Nada don't exist, YET! If such a detector existed, common senses tells you it would be what everyone used. Right? DUH!
I've had many good detectors that could get extremely deep and SOMETIMES even give me a good accurate ID, either tone or visual, at 10", but that is the exception to the rule. Like the halo so to say.
I know it is just a matter of time before new detecting technology will break that barrier and I wanna be one of the first to own one. I got lots of really great places with some really great finds waiting for such a detector. Right now my hope is on the Equinox. Time will tell.
I was referring to motion a/m- which, even on my Ace 250 has tone and visual ID.
Pretty sure the Ace 250 doesn't have an all metal mode.
It has no threshold, no manual ground balance, and only creates 3 digital sounds. (I had the Ace 350 and loved it for a first detector.)
You can set it so it doesn't mute any tones, but I think it only has a disc circuit.
I HAVE one! It is MOTION a/m. It gives a low grunt on nails, paper clips, etc. No, it doesn't have a threshold based, wavering, true a/m mode because of a preset g/b. So if you're hell bent on finding gold flakes-or iron flakes, for that matter-no it doesn't do that. But yeah- you will find iron and tiny gold that falls in that range. I enjoy that mode because it's smoother than a pure, threshold based a/m, although in iron laden trashy areas the low grunts are annoying. FWIW, Relics mode is awesome-just enough disc to rid small iron- but not enough for larger nails- which give low grunt.
I GET THAT!!! All I'm saying is you won't miss any REAL WORLD targets and the depth is CONSIDERABLY better and you DON'T have to worry about drift and noise from mineral fluctuation. If you wanna listen to teeny fluctuations and dig them-yeah- go with true a/m. Depth is NOT everything to me and I consider it a waste of time wondering if I lost a target from a whisper or fluctuation - especially at my regular type of sites.Incorrect.
The Ace 250 does not have a true all metal mode, motion or non-motion, even though they printed that on the label with (Zero) next to it. That simply means zero discrimination and that it detects all metals. It's kind of deceiving actually.
You're misunderstanding what all metal mode is, and Garret printing that on their sticker is likely confusing others as well.
Changing modes on an Ace 250 only changes discrimination levels. Nothing else. There are machines that have subtle tones and "whispers", but this is not one of them.
Read Steve Herschbach's explanation here. It's the 8th post down.
All Metal explanation, including motion and non-motion
Make note of what Steve says in his post, "Many low cost detectors only operate in discriminate mode. They can achieve a fake "all metal" mode by simply accepting all targets. However, the filter is still being applied and depth still lost."
...and he's actually using a picture of your Garrett Ace 250 as his example.
One last link to help explain what all metal mode is...
Last link to help explain what all metal mode is.
Notable from that post is..."I wish manufacturers would quit referring to zero discrimination as being all metal. Two completely different things and I think it is misleading. Not purposefully, but I am learning to be very careful as this is a perfect example of a machine being said to have an all metal mode that does not. Do we need new terms? Filtered all metal versus un-filtered all metal? The AT Pro and AT Gold had similar confusion going on."
Hopefully this helps you understand all metal.
I always hunt in either mixed mode or in all metal. Depends where I am hunting. At the beach in dry sand, it is AM all the time. If I am hunting a park that has been cleaned out, I will hunt in single-freq all metal to get that extra depth. If I am in the woods and there isn't a significant amount of trash in the ground, I will hunt in all metal.
Generally, I hunt mixed mode, because if I hear something on the disc channel, but not on the AM channel, it is definitely a false signal and is a reminder to slow my swinging down.
I always hunt in either mixed mode or in all metal. Depends where I am hunting. At the beach in dry sand, it is AM all the time. If I am hunting a park that has been cleaned out, I will hunt in single-freq all metal to get that extra depth. If I am in the woods and there isn't a significant amount of trash in the ground, I will hunt in all metal.
Generally, I hunt mixed mode, because if I hear something on the disc channel, but not on the AM channel, it is definitely a false signal and is a reminder to slow my swinging down.