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Nel is also releasing a full range of coils for the APEX too.
The 6X11 Viper coil is OK for lot of applications, but .... It's just a dad bit small to help with depth in more open areas, and definitely a wee-bit too big to work as a handy mid-size coil like the 5X8 or 5X9½ sizes. We have many plowed fields now that its harvest season and a 'Raider' ought to work well out there. But the 'Ripper' looks to be a primary-use coil for most of my wants and needs on an Apex.
With 56 years of detecting I've been using Garrett's since '68/'69, and heavily from '77 thru '10, and out of all the different detector brands and after-market coil makers, I have had the lest issues with Garrett's search coils. Solid, rugged, dependable ... never a coil issue. Looking forward to putting them to work and reading other's reports on their trips afield in the months ahead.
Monte
A good question deserves a good answer, so I'll give mine. No magic mystery percentages that are not calculable, like some imaginary 12% better separation or something similar, because in this real world of metal detectors and metal detecting there are just too many variables involved.LovestheShiny!: said:Monte... question - how much additional depth do you think the 8.5 X 11 would have over the stock Viper coil? Thank you!
I have a friend with an AT MAX and another fiend had the AT Pro. I tinkered with both, at different times and locations, but some of what I did suggested the AT Max, using the same coil, got a bit better depth. Not massive, but a little bit better depth potential based on the audio response I could hear.LovestheShiny!: said:Thank you Monte, appreciate you thoughts and expertise! I use the AT Pro with the stock 8.5 x 11 coil, and on some of the silver dimes I am just barely getting a soft high tone, and only when making sure I am keeping my coil as close to the grass as I can while scanning. The coin depth on that marginal silver runs about 7" approx.
I have all these brand new detectors I bought for my multi-model evaluation and now that they are going up for sale, I plan to acquire a new AT MAX when I get some $$$ back in my pocket. Then I'll have that on-hand for side-by-side comparison when the Garrett coils get out.LovestheShiny!: said:Was wondering whether the Apex with the larger Raider coil and multi freq will go just a bit deeper, to make those marginal signals clean up a bit.
There are a lot of detector/coil combinations in use today that struggle on a 5" or greater depth small coin. My 'depth test' will start with a 5" coin, and proceed from there. Mainly using detectors with 'standard' coils, some with coils I would attach for day-to-day Coin Hunting, and then move up to mid-size and larger-size.LovestheShiny!: said:And yep, depth is not everything, I figure I find about 95% of what the Nox guys find, and there are plenty of good targets at 6" and under
I'm with you on that, and it would not need to be a lot. Maybe two sizes, especially one in a smaller, round-shaped design.findgold: said:I would like to see concentric Coils for the Apex.
Partly, I believe, it has been a fad or trend that started due to all the surge in Minelabs about twenty years ago. There were still a lot of Concentric coils used as 'standard' coils on most detectors back then, but .....Walknstik: said:Lately I've been wondering myself what is the reason for this lack of concentric coils being offered across the board? Tougher for the engineers to design the detectors electronics to work well with concentric coils versus DD coils?
And there is a statement I often read but have challenged with a wide range of DD and Concentric coils, and I live in and hunt in very mineralized ground 90% of the time. A lot depends on the size and shape of the coil, but I use both types on different detectors and I have found that a good detector & coil can handle the ground mineral challenges just fine, regardless of the coil type.Walknstik: said:Another possible reason I was thinking of...DD coils have the ability to work smoother over tougher ground and might benefit those that live in such areas especially with the pre-set GB units?