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BGF 02-03-2011 03:55 PM

Finders-Keepers Rule vs. Finders-Keepers Reality
 
I just read that anything that has been in Florida waters for 50 years or more is considered state property and is illegal to take. Does this also pertain to items that are 50 years or older and are found between the seaward toe of the dune and the ordinary water line?

RAMBLIN' STEVE 02-03-2011 04:28 PM

Confide in us.. We'll never tell..

PuddleJumper 02-03-2011 04:29 PM

Just tell them to prove that its been there for 50 years.

JBEXPRESS 02-03-2011 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by PuddleJumper (Post 684006)
Just tell them to prove that its been there for 50 years.

well if you have a coin that older than 50 years I think they can tell. :D

wooddux 02-03-2011 04:47 PM

Tell them all the coins you have found fell out of your pockets yesterday....plus you lost alot more also, and need to find them to.:roll:

PuddleJumper 02-03-2011 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by JBEXPRESS (Post 684011)
well if you have a coin that older than 50 years I think they can tell. :D

Hows that? If I drop a 1963 nickel today and someone finds it in 3 years, that doesn't mean its been lost for 50 years.

Dustyloins 02-03-2011 05:07 PM

There was a post talking about the water line and the legal aspects on here a week or so ago.....

Dusty

RickO 02-03-2011 05:19 PM

Well, if I were detecting the beach and found a gold doubloon or two, you can bet I would not advertise it and it certainly would go home with me. That is a fact. RickO

Dustyloins 02-03-2011 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by RickO (Post 684052)
Well, if I were detecting the beach and found a gold doubloon or two, you can bet I would not advertise it and it certainly would go home with me. That is a fact. RickO

My luck would be a P.O. watching me.....and asking questions......and me not able to find my badge.....:lol:

Dusty

PuddleJumper 02-03-2011 05:38 PM

Drop it and give it a good kick. Then tell him to find it :lol:

Dustyloins 02-03-2011 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by PuddleJumper (Post 684074)
Drop it and give it a good kick. Then tell him to find it :lol:

That might work......

Dusty

dogpound 02-03-2011 08:37 PM

i really don't wanna see you get into any trouble so any coins over 50 yrs. old you find just send to me and i'll turn it in to the proper authorities:D

Neil Diggit 02-03-2011 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Dustyloins (Post 684061)
My luck would be a P.O. watching me.....and asking questions......and me not able to find my badge.....:lol:

Dusty

I'm going to have to get a badge. Do you have any extras?
I have 2 step sons that are cops, maybe I can get one from them.

SeizeTheDay 02-03-2011 10:50 PM

Realistically, I think they are concerned about historic artifacts and excavated shipwreck finds in large quantities. In other words, they don't want people pulling the contents of an old pirate ship or military vessel off the bottom of the ocean and taking it home. I wouldn't think beach hunting detectorists have anything to worry about.

RickO 02-04-2011 10:40 AM

Well if I find the contents of an old pirate ship, I can assure you, I WILL pull it off the beach and take it home... period!!!!!! RickO

Jax 02-04-2011 10:54 AM

I know many fossil hunters down there, and they all have to have permits to fossil hunt. Many dive and find unbelievable stuff. IF they find arrowheads or other native american artifacts they are suppose to leave where they found them..... WOULD YOU?? Id at least take it to a museum or something. But it doesnt make sense to let things just stay in the ground, or streams and rot away...

Bonesquat 02-04-2011 10:59 AM

You don't need to take ANYTHING older than 50 years from that beach. It is against the law! I have been watching the beach detectorists for 42 years and have been arresting them with a vigor. I do NOT allow people to take away artifacts that are 50+ years old. If you try it you WILL be arrested personally by ME.

In section 1192 of code 91-2 it is illegal to take objects from the beach that were lost and will never be recovered otherwise. I'll see you in court!

dan 02-04-2011 01:28 PM

First rule of detecting, when you find good stuff,
K-Y-M-S !

Keep Your Mouth Shut.

Otherwise, bad things will surely happen.

GoBanana 02-04-2011 02:47 PM

All these law makers don't seem to think of the big picture. What the sport brings to local communities goes without saying, unearthing items that otherwise would be lost forever, solving crimes is huge with forensics. Stifling and scaring people away from the sport is the wrong thing to do, I have honestly never seen a video of a detectorist who doesn't a) completely make it look like they have never been on the property and b) not mention about taking the trash out with you. How can you fault such a peaceful hobby, it's ridiculous in my opinion. A little bit of compensation to the hobbyist is the least that can happen, gees.

jeeper67 04-23-2011 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by bonesquat (Post 684505)
You don't need to take ANYTHING older than 50 years from that beach. It is against the law! I have been watching the beach detectorists for 42 years and have been arresting them with a vigor. I do NOT allow people to take away artifacts that are 50+ years old. If you try it you WILL be arrested personally by ME.

In section 1192 of code 91-2 it is illegal to take objects from the beach that were lost and will never be recovered otherwise. I'll see you in court!

Whatever Dude!
Finding our history and bringing it out for all to see should be more important than leaving it buried either in the ground, dunes, dry sand, wet sand, water, wherever. There should be no laws aginst it in fact the gov. should be paying us a finders fee!:lol:

carcur 04-23-2011 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by PuddleJumper (Post 684040)
Hows that? If I drop a 1963 nickel today and someone finds it in 3 years, that doesn't mean its been lost for 50 years.

a 63 nickle is not 50 years old so your good unless my math is wrong
curtis

dan 04-23-2011 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by carcur (Post 765462)
a 63 nickle is not 50 years old so your good unless my math is wrong
curtis

Your math is fine, but your reasoning is not.

He said it won't be found for three years. So when it's found, it will be 51 years old.

carcur 04-23-2011 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by dan (Post 765465)
Your math is fine, but your reasoning is not.

He said it won't be found for three years. So when it's found, it will be 51 years old.

opps your right my bad

daddydigger 04-23-2011 06:04 PM

All I know is if you have one foot on the sand and one foot in the water, they can't send you back to Haiti or Cuba. But if you have both feet in the water, they can send you back. Must be the same idiots who came up with the "50-year" rule!

Dustyloins 04-23-2011 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Neil Diggit (Post 684211)
I'm going to have to get a badge. Do you have any extras?
I have 2 step sons that are cops, maybe I can get one from them.

The only reason I have one now is that they changed the design and issued us new ones. I had to turn in the "new" badge when I quit and moved to Colorado. They let me keep the old style badge.

Dusty

Squishy 04-23-2011 07:08 PM

I agree that this is an unjust law. The topic seems to come up a lot on the metal detecting forums, but I have never seen a discussion about anyone doing anything to try to change the laws. There has to be a an option other than live with an unjust law or breaking it. We should be able to change it.

I realize that the metal detecting community is not large compared to the overall population, but it appears to be a handful of academics and State archeologists that have gotten these laws passed. Seems that a small group of determined people could get these laws changed.

Among those of us who complain about these laws...how many of us have ever written to or called out representatives? I know I haven't.

From what I have read, in Europe, they are required to turn these finds in, but they are compensated for them once the value is determined. Granted, the assessed value appears to be considerably less than their actual value, but at least they have a system that allows people to find and preserve the historic items and provides some compensation to the finder. Maybe we could get laws more like that.

Thoughts?
-Mike-

biliff1 04-24-2011 04:37 AM

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Originally Posted by bonesquat (Post 684505)
You don't need to take ANYTHING older than 50 years from that beach. It is against the law! I have been watching the beach detectorists for 42 years and have been arresting them with a vigor. I do NOT allow people to take away artifacts that are 50+ years old. If you try it you WILL be arrested personally by ME.

In section 1192 of code 91-2 it is illegal to take objects from the beach that were lost and will never be recovered otherwise. I'll see you in court!

Easy does it, bonesquat. Don't get your shorts in a knot!

wtfisthat 04-24-2011 07:56 AM

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You don't need to take ANYTHING older than 50 years from that beach. It is against the law! I have been watching the beach detectorists for 42 years and have been arresting them with a vigor. I do NOT allow people to take away artifacts that are 50+ years old. If you try it you WILL be arrested personally by ME.

In section 1192 of code 91-2 it is illegal to take objects from the beach that were lost and will never be recovered otherwise. I'll see you in court!
Ha! Lets send a super secret satellite into outer-space to watch the dirt diggin, tombraiding, pull tab hoarding, metal detectorists, in case they find a quarter.

Then we can put them in the stocks and throw stones at em!:lol:

Give me a break

Mykie 04-24-2011 08:18 AM

Bonesquat...........
 
:?:What do you do for a living? You some kind of FEDERAL MARSHALL or something? You with the Government? ....
Remember this I merely inquire as to your position of authority and what motivates you to start threatening people with "I'll see you in court" when you are on the "FRIENDLY METAL DETECTING" site. Warm Regards, Mykie:shock:

Mykie 04-24-2011 02:57 PM

Ohhhhhhhh
 
A leg puller! Now, I get it. Yeah, and I got my jockies all up around my neck over that one! Tee hee hee.........:lol::lol::lol: :lol:

Silversmith45 04-24-2011 03:18 PM

I recently read an article about where they were tying to preserve a Civil War battle sight. They bought and tore down a Pizza Hut to return the land to how it was then. A golf course was also returned to like it had been. The Mayor was saying how great it was that a lot of artifacts had been discovered during the time. Things that they hadn't even suspected of being there. It's too bad other government officials don't see things that way. They would rather preserve the by then rust for future generations. I guess our generation doesn't matter.

Mykie 04-24-2011 04:00 PM

Wasn't that on.....
 
CBS Sunday morning TV show this morning? No? :yes:

dogpound 04-24-2011 05:13 PM

i've found bottlecaps older than 50 yrs old......guess i'll turn those in :lol:

Rudy 04-24-2011 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Mykie (Post 766171)
:?:What do you do for a living? You some kind of FEDERAL MARSHALL or something? You with the Government? ....
Remember this I merely inquire as to your position of authority and what motivates you to start threatening people with "I'll see you in court" when you are on the "FRIENDLY METAL DETECTING" site. Warm Regards, Mykie:shock:

Let's see, Bonesquat said: "... I have been watching the beach detectorists for 42 years and have been arresting them with a vigor...."

Yet, if you check his profile page, he lists his age as 22 years. Maybe he is pulling all our legs? :roll:

Bonesquat 04-24-2011 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudy (Post 766687)
Let's see, Bonesquat said: "... I have been watching the beach detectorists for 42 years and have been arresting them with a vigor...."

Yet, if you check his profile page, he lists his age as 22 years. Maybe he is pulling all our legs? :roll:

I've been a federal mashall for 54 years...you do the math. Last month alone I arrested 712 metal detectorists on the beaches here in North Alabama.

digdug1968 04-24-2011 06:49 PM

Yeah, alotta surfers dropping 50 year old bling in Alabama.

On a semi related note (government and detecting) this just occurred to me - could you write off your equipment and travel expenses, as a tax writeoff? And call the "finds" the profit? Maybe I should go into the "business" of treasure hunting - buy a nice etrac....................... I mean, fair is fair, since the gubbernmint wants a cut all the time.............

Mykie 04-24-2011 08:03 PM

Now, I know that .......
 
folks in the deep south, and nothing is up north in Alabama, moves a might bit slower, but the way I see it you got to be 76 to 86 years old. Even if I was pulling a shipwreck outta the Gulf in front of some of those beautiful beaches and belles on them, I got to figure I can out run ya? :lol:

Rudy 04-24-2011 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by bonesquat (Post 766702)
I've been a federal mashall for 54 years...you do the math. Last month alone I arrested 712 metal detectorists on the beaches here in North Alabama.

In that case you might want to fix your profile page. :D

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cmbtvet 04-24-2011 09:37 PM

I just love those beautiful sandy beaches in northern Alabama :lol:

dogpound 04-24-2011 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by bonesquat (Post 766702)
I've been a federal mashall for 54 years...you do the math. Last month alone I arrested 712 metal detectorists on the beaches here in North Alabama.

sounds like you had a busy month....that would be 23 detectorists a day :shock:......shouldn't you be doin some paperwork insted of surfin the net :lol:


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