The FBI Files: Dents Run Civil War Gold

[ucnegold?]

Modus Operandi for Treasure Hunters Seeking Fame and Fortune

1. Dream up a plan of fascination that is fraught with all the sensationalism of an unbelievable story including incredible treasure or historic significance like no other has ever told. Include the key elements of silver, gold, templars, Indians, KGC caches, robberies, psychics, paranormal activity, skeletons, snakes, voids, caves, marker stones and sacrificial rocks.

2. Watch movies, television, read magazines, social media and plagiarize the thoughts and ideas of other similar tales. Incorporate all of these into a grand plan to ensure the validity of the story can be easily corroborated with other fictional stories. Ensure it’s the greatest treasure tale ever told.

3. Locate and trespass a site with key elements of the plagiarized tale at or near the locations of lore or historic significance relating to recognized stories of undiscovered treasure. Use the imagination and possibly hallucinogenic drugs to extrapolate the significance of ordinary trees, rocks or other land features that are concealed amongst the site to those with an untrained eye. Share images of these insignificant objects and never consider they could be meaningless features existing everywhere.

4. Publicize the site and take sole credit as early as possible for “finding” the location. Spread the word in treasure forums, news, press and social media. Develop a following of like-minded conspiracy theorists who won’t take any time to read, research or even think for themselves so that the legitimacy of the tale will never be questioned. Always have two or three of these sites to fall back on in the event you are thrown off of the others or tied up in the legal system.

5. Define a villain or roadblock to the recovery of “absolute proof” of legitimacy of this find. Use government agencies, landowners and infrastructure and claim these as the prohibiting factors to recovery. Ensure any source of back-checking or verifying these claims is nearly impossible or at least delayed for an indefinite time period to allow the story and its audience maximum time to develop and seethe.

6. Seek out and recruit hobbyists who can claim expertise in the subject matter, butt provide no real credibility to the tale. Partner with authors of books that tell similar tales and can lend no credibility to the same invalid claims. When using investigative journalists, ensure they incorporate every fictional aspect of the tale to embellish the story.

7. Utilize the latest and greatest in unproven scientific technology to locate metallic objects. Develop sophisticated cartoon drawings of the site and locations of any imagined metals. If drilling into metals, be sure not to collect or test any of the spoils. Utilize even more advanced technology to detect voids or metallic objects but never drill in these locations as drilling may invalidate the survey results and prove the psychic was off in his premonitions.

8. Reach out to authors, press, magazines, TV Series producers, blogs and podcasts and get the story out of how the villain has spoiled the recovery and is depriving everyone of access to seeing the fantastic treasure or historic significance of the site. Always portray yourself as the victim of conspiracy.

9. Withhold any and all evidence of “absolute proof” until the time is right to reveal your cards. Use the legal system if necessary to draw out the story for years. Ensure the public knows that there is much, much more to the story and any despite how long any verifiable evidence has been withheld, the story is only just beginning. When questioned by any opposition, always twist the story, you never know if those asking questions are the villain.

10. If ever confronted with a scenario in which evidence-based outcomes absolutely prove the tale is false and it becomes obvious that no recovery will occur, immediately accuse others of stealing the treasure or defiling the site somehow. Alternatively, insist that you have not yet revealed the “real” location to throw off those attempting to steal the treasure. Never, ever concede that something that is not there today wasn’t there yesterday.

 

[SeabeeRon]

Modus Operandi for Treasure Hunters Seeking Fame and Fortune

1. Dream up a plan of fascination that is fraught with all the sensationalism of an unbelievable story including incredible treasure or historic significance like no other has ever told. Include the key elements of silver, gold, templars, Indians, KGC caches, robberies, psychics, paranormal activity, skeletons, snakes, voids, caves, marker stones and sacrificial rocks.

2. Watch movies, television, read magazines, social media and plagiarize the thoughts and ideas of other similar tales. Incorporate all of these into a grand plan to ensure the validity of the story can be easily corroborated with other fictional stories. Ensure it’s the greatest treasure tale ever told.

3. Locate and trespass a site with key elements of the plagiarized tale at or near the locations of lore or historic significance relating to recognized stories of undiscovered treasure. Use the imagination and possibly hallucinogenic drugs to extrapolate the significance of ordinary trees, rocks or other land features that are concealed amongst the site to those with an untrained eye. Share images of these insignificant objects and never consider they could be meaningless features existing everywhere.

4. Publicize the site and take sole credit as early as possible for “finding” the location. Spread the word in treasure forums, news, press and social media. Develop a following of like-minded conspiracy theorists who won’t take any time to read, research or even think for themselves so that the legitimacy of the tale will never be questioned. Always have two or three of these sites to fall back on in the event you are thrown off of the others or tied up in the legal system.

5. Define a villain or roadblock to the recovery of “absolute proof” of legitimacy of this find. Use government agencies, landowners and infrastructure and claim these as the prohibiting factors to recovery. Ensure any source of back-checking or verifying these claims is nearly impossible or at least delayed for an indefinite time period to allow the story and its audience maximum time to develop and seethe.

6. Seek out and recruit hobbyists who can claim expertise in the subject matter, butt provide no real credibility to the tale. Partner with authors of books that tell similar tales and can lend no credibility to the same invalid claims. When using investigative journalists, ensure they incorporate every fictional aspect of the tale to embellish the story.

7. Utilize the latest and greatest in unproven scientific technology to locate metallic objects. Develop sophisticated cartoon drawings of the site and locations of any imagined metals. If drilling into metals, be sure not to collect or test any of the spoils. Utilize even more advanced technology to detect voids or metallic objects but never drill in these locations as drilling may invalidate the survey results and prove the psychic was off in his premonitions.

8. Reach out to authors, press, magazines, TV Series producers, blogs and podcasts and get the story out of how the villain has spoiled the recovery and is depriving everyone of access to seeing the fantastic treasure or historic significance of the site. Always portray yourself as the victim of conspiracy.

9. Withhold any and all evidence of “absolute proof” until the time is right to reveal your cards. Use the legal system if necessary to draw out the story for years. Ensure the public knows that there is much, much more to the story and any despite how long any verifiable evidence has been withheld, the story is only just beginning. When questioned by any opposition, always twist the story, you never know if those asking questions are the villain.

10. If ever confronted with a scenario in which evidence-based outcomes absolutely prove the tale is false and it becomes obvious that no recovery will occur, immediately accuse others of stealing the treasure or defiling the site somehow. Alternatively, insist that you have not yet revealed the “real” location to throw off those attempting to steal the treasure. Never, ever concede that something that is not there today wasn’t there yesterday.

EXCELLENT!!

 

[ucnegold?]

Thanks Ron. I know you follow the DRLCWG page closely over on FB but was wondering if you are aware of the PA. Indian Stonehenge Site page over there. All the usual suspects and the site is now on hold, despite being debunked by many of the locals. You really can't make this stuff up.

 

[Tom_in_CA]

Modus Operandi for Treasure Hunters Seeking Fame and Fortune

ucnegold? : Excellent post !!

You say to : "... Include the key elements of silver, gold, templars, Indians, KGC caches, robberies, psychics, paranormal activity, skeletons, snakes, voids, caves, marker stones and sacrificial rocks...."

You forgot "booby traps". No good treasure legend would be complete if it didn't have booby traps !! And don't forgot govt. bureaucracy red-tape impediments. So that the treasure-hunter can blame the "big bad government" for not having found the treasure yet (or it was "stolen" or whatever). And don't forget "tips of icebergs" (gold on the end of a drill bit, blah blah blah). These are all essential elements for any good treasure yarn !

And yes, I love your definition of "finding the location". Yes : Rest assured they've "found" (past tense) a fabulous treasure. Now it's merely a matter of overcoming govt. red tape, digging 60 meters, deep, draining the swamp, blah blah blah. But : Rest assured, they've "found" (past tense) a fabulous treasure. Right ? It doesn't matter that they never saw a red cent of it. They still "found" (past tense) a fabulous treasure. You merely have to define the word "found" correctly.

You say : "....Ensure any source of back-checking or verifying these claims is nearly impossible...."

Well yes, of course : Any time there is "lack of proof", that simply becomes ALL THE MORE PROOF ! Because that is merely proof of the coverup, in-the-first place. Right ?

You say : "...Utilize the latest and greatest in unproven scientific technology to locate metallic objects..."

Huh ? What ? Are you saying that the psychics Dennis consulted, or the dowsing he used, was NOT reputable ?? How could you say such a thing ?? Tsk tsk.

 

[SS_Wonder]

Psychics and dowsing....parada's methods of finding fantastical treasures...

 

[Tom_in_CA]

Psychics and dowsing....parada's methods of finding fantastical treasures...

I was about to say that it's too bad that William Shatner didn't bring more of that to the surface, and cast a skeptical eye on it, because of those factors. But then I realized that : Sadly, a lot of the consumer public probably falls for that. There are certainly many people that put stock in psychics.

And as for dowsing : We md'rs probably look into that (since it involves finding metal, blah blah). Yet the "average Joe on the street" had probably never given it much thought.

For example : In the early 1990s, I got invited to go on a treasure hunt to Mexico, by one of my employees (an immigrant) who was CONVINCED that he knew where treasures were , back in his home country. I agreed to go, and be the "technical person" since I was a long-time experienced md'r.

In the month leading up to our departure, he came to me with a metal detecting magazine ad for a dowsing rod. And suggested we should invest in these, before we go. At first, I mocked the idea, and said it was just "superstition". But he would not be dissuaded. He pointed to the convincing picture in the ad, of the dude posing next to the jar of coins he'd just found. And the claims of "from a mile away", blah blah. And I suddenly realized : Aside from casual skepticism (light-hearted-mocking), I really didn't know how to answer my new friend's claims !

So I spent a week studying the issue (back in the days before the internet), so that I could could answer my friend with logical coherent pushback. But ...prior to that ... I had never really given it much thought. (Hence my current kill-joy-skepticism fascination, I suppose, haha)

SO TOO is probably the general public ("joe 6-pack" watching late night TV) also probably not going to be "put off", even if it became known that there was dowsing involved. For all they know, there's some merit to it. They probably never gave it much thought.

But yes : When it comes to the "pyschic" part : I'm betting that many in the general public would change the channel at that point. HOWEVER : Dennis buries that. It is over-powered with with the salacious civil war conspiracy FBI junk. So even when someone hears "psychic", they'll probably subconsciously forgive that and gloss over that, merely because the other ingredients will sound so convincing.

 

[KOB]

I always liked Leonard Nimoys "In Search Of"...

 

[SS_Wonder]

I would like to think that parada is moving on from his dents run lies partly due to being exposed by GoDeep here and on the other site (albeit the other site erased the evidence).

Had parada somehow actually been granted a full court hearing, the mountain of evidence disproving parada’s claims amassed by GoDeep would have certainly been ammunition for the government’s case.

 

[ucnegold?]

I would like to think that parada is moving on from his dents run lies partly due to being exposed by GoDeep here and on the other site (albeit the other site erased the evidence).

Had parada somehow actually been granted a full court hearing, the mountain of evidence disproving parada’s claims amassed by GoDeep would have certainly been ammunition for the government’s case.

I’m no legal expert but this is how I see it. This case is really just a procedural exercise in discovery to this point. It’s unlikely this phase of the process would ever develop into a full-on Perry Mason type jury trial. The Defendant need not use any of the evidence already provided or any of GoDeep’s analysis as ammunition, since this doesn’t disprove what the Plaintiff is arguing.

Plaintiff is arguing for more information and in specific, has (at least in social media) indicted the Defendant of a cover up, indicating the Defendant is not producing information that Plaintiff believes Defendant possesses. Plaintiff may believe this but has yet to prove the existence of such information. This phase appears to be an ongoing process until the Plaintiff concedes or the Judge rules it has ended.

The Plaintiff has, for the lack of a better term “won” this case already, simply by the Defendant expediting and producing the investigation files in FOIA. This procedure is not going to result in a decision of Yes or No, as to whether anything was found or if the Plaintiff is entitled to a Finder’s Fee since there has never been any evidence presented by either party that anything was found. This is where the Plaintiff wants to go next in the next phase. However, Plaintiff cannot proceed to the next phase without first discovering evidence that the Defendant found and removed something. Unless this evidence is produced by one of the parties, the case should end here.

 

[SS_Wonder]

I guess we'll have to wait until parada presents before a U.S. Senate hearing as he has promised to do.

 

[Tom_in_CA]

I would like to think that parada is moving on from his dents run lies partly due to being exposed by GoDeep here ....

I sometimes wonder if Dennis & gang has availed themselves of a thread like this. If it were me, I would *certainly* want to know what push-backs exist. I would certainly want to "take my pulse", to know whether my stance has merit. If I had a clue that someone was challenging my material, I would want to see what they're saying. Especially if I was passionate about the subject (as Dennis is), then you would THINK he would want to know what skeptics are saying. And that the BEST thing he can do for his case (if it's so rock-solid), is to address skeptics.

So does anyone know if Dennis & gang is actually keeping up on items like Go-Deeps point-by-point analysis ? I know that, the link address was listed on their FB page, for something like a week. They actually let the link stay there for a short while !! (to their credit). And at one point, Dennis' own sun did chime in on that. So presumably he & his dad are well-aware of this thread. But then the thread got deleted.

So I wonder if Dennis is actually being open minded enough to follow skeptical analysis, such as this thread ? Or is he simply living in an echo-chamber ?

 

[Tom_in_CA]

.... The Defendant need not use any of the evidence already provided or any of GoDeep’s analysis as ammunition, since this doesn’t disprove what the Plaintiff is arguing.....

Yes. Good post.

Even after all the records plaintiff is demanding are produced, and if it showed that no treasure was found, then , in Dennis & gang's minds, this STILL won't prove "no treasure". It will simply mean that the G-men were *very clever* in their whitewash, their redactions, their coverup, etc.... At no point will it EVER mean : "No fabulous treasure"

 

[SS_Wonder]

GoDeep’s detailed analysis disproved 99% of parada’s claims.

I especially enjoyed the points where it was proven digging equipment had not been moved or used in the night as parada had claimed.

 

[Tom_in_CA]

....

I especially enjoyed the points where it was proven digging equipment had not been moved or used in the night as parada had claimed.

Uuuhh,... No. That only proved that the FBI "scrubbed" the film SD card, and re-inserted it with decoy pictures, that only made it APPEAR as if it hadn't been used or moved.

C'mon SS-Wonder : Git with the show

 

[Grizz]

Yeah, it's cool. A hobbyist chit-chat forum wouldn't be interesting, if opposing views didn't get posed. I don't fault the OP for asking, and being interested. It just seemed odd coming on the direct heels of a 17 page post on this very subject. Like ...... are we going to make another 17 pages now ?

WOW!! 30 pages on this thread and all you do is complain about it. Who is forcing you to read it?

 

[Tom_in_CA]

WOW!! 30 pages on this thread and all you do is complain about it. Who is forcing you to read it?

No, that was before I realized that go-Deep was skeptical of it.

At the point of the quote you got of me, I had thought this person go-Deep had come on to promote & defend the D.R. story. Scroll forwards a few more posts, and you see I got it straightened out.

 

[Carl-NC]

I sometimes wonder if Dennis & gang has availed themselves of a thread like this. If it were me, I would *certainly* want to know what push-backs exist. I would certainly want to "take my pulse", to know whether my stance has merit. If I had a clue that someone was challenging my material, I would want to see what they're saying. Especially if I was passionate about the subject (as Dennis is), then you would THINK he would want to know what skeptics are saying. And that the BEST thing he can do for his case (if it's so rock-solid), is to address skeptics.

I don't think you understand how delusional people operate.

 

[GoDeep]

I don't think you understand how delusional people operate.

I assume this is sarcasm as I believe Tom knows all too well how delusional Plaintiff can be. But you are right about delusional people, they often don't want to seek out anything that may upset their world view.

 

[SeabeeRon]

I assume this is sarcasm as I believe Tom knows all too well how delusional Plaintiff can be. But you are right about delusional people, they often don't want to seek out anything that may upset their world view.

You sure got that right!

 

[GoDeep]

Yesterday, the DOJ filed their reply to Plaintiffs Motion but I am unable to access it as the system is down for some reason. I'll post it up as soon as it becomes available.

Edit: By the way, its 10 days late as they were granted a 10-day extension to file it.