Nokta Legend ‘Beast Mode’ Now

I think we’re reading too much into this. It’s for making targets stand out better in iron. If I put a gold ring on my floor, with ductwork down below, it’s hard to tell there’s a small target down there. It sounds a lot bigger, blending in with the ductwork. By setting dt to one or two, I can pick the small target out.
With some further experimentation in my backyard, I'm beginning to think that as well. It's as though DT and BM aren't "technically" going deeper. Rather, DT and BM are exposing small and deep nonferrous targets that were previously masked by the ground signal and / or iron objects, and were previously missed, or very iffy. It's as though the improvement is in the separation of nonferrous targets from the ground signal and iron.
 
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With some further experimentation in my backyard, I'm beginning to think that as well. It's as though DT and BM aren't "technically" going deeper. Rather, DT and BM are exposing small and deep nonferrous targets that were previously masked by the ground signal and / or iron objects, and were previously missed, or very iffy. It's as though the improvement is in the separation of nonferrous targets from the ground signal and iron.
And I'm all for them tweaking separation of non-ferrous stuff from ground signals and iron! Add all the hidden confusing menus they need, but optimize the processing in a way that makes the machine "smarter" when it comes to separation. Yeah, I can get on board with that.
 
With some further experimentation in my backyard, I'm beginning to think that as well. It's as though DT and BM aren't "technically" going deeper. Rather, DT and BM are exposing small and deep nonferrous targets that were previously masked by the ground signal and / or iron objects, and were previously missed, or very iffy. It's as though the improvement is in the separation of nonferrous targets from the ground signal and iron.
Exactly But it is just a tiny improvement some areas you will find coins you missed and others nothing the fact remains if the masking target is greater than the return signal of the non-ferrous your out of luck . This tech has it's physical limitations . Deus 2 manticore and now it appears the legend are detectors with this ability . sube
 
Search “nokta legend System Software V1.14”
Download app from Nokta website.
Turn detector off and plug recharge cable in.
Run app and follow instructions.

Connect recharge cable to computer when app says.
Hit up arrow button when app says.
Click install. Takes a few seconds to get started.
I checked out a couple videos and they seemed a bit confusing so I followed the procedure in your post and it went super easy! Less than 5 min. Thanks!
 
I'm sure all these extra settings are great for some people. I've found the legend hard to navigate, and now to find more settings makes my old mind even more lost. Enter pinpoint mode to get to dt mode, enter gold mode to get to bm.

Sorry but the legend might spend more time in the closet, I will continue to use the Manticore.
 
Here are two short YouTube videos from Outcast Metal detecting.

The first video shows a much better hit than Park mode, on a 10" dime using a small coil with DT set at 2. This is what I experience on all fringe targets, and will permanently leave DT on and set at 2 or 3.

The second video shows BM not hitting the same dime, yet DT set at 2 hits the dime. This goes back to my previous post about BM only working on some fringe targets.

DT Test

BM Test
 
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The video maker is using the wrong words to describe what is clearly shown and heard in the 2nd video. Also, a ground balance of 2 does not always mean soil is mild. The dirt in my area ground balances between 1 and 7 on the Legend and the Fe3O4 iron mineralization meter is at least half full all of the time......so definitely not mild soil.

The Legend with LG24 coil in BM is clearly hitting the 10" dime even though he repeatedly says it isn't......
His 60 tone Park program hits it better.

Nokta has repeatedly said to not use a test target that Park and Field modes can hit to test the effectiveness of Beast mode. I know that takes some trial and error but that is what Nokta recommends.
 
The video maker is using the wrong words to describe what is clearly shown and heard in the 2nd video. Also, a ground balance of 2 does not always mean soil is mild. The dirt in my area ground balances between 1 and 7 on the Legend and the Fe3O4 iron mineralization meter is at least half full all of the time......so definitely not mild soil.

The Legend with LG24 coil in BM is clearly hitting the 10" dime even though he repeatedly says it isn't......
His 60 tone Park program hits it better.

Nokta has repeatedly said to not use a test target that Park and Field modes can hit to test the effectiveness of Beast mode. I know that takes some trial and error but that is what Nokta recommends.
Agreed for the most part on all that. The GB thing is a common misconception. Heck, I've got extremely mild ground, and my GB is around 30.

In the video using BM on the 10" dime, he said it's nothing he would probably dig. I suspect many would agree. In addition, he's not truly comparing BM to stock Park, because he's using DT with Park mode.

Despite what Nokta says, people are going to be testing BM against Park's fringe targets and expecting BM to hit much harder.

When I wrote that post, I was only going to post the DT video, because I noticed the same issues that you mentioned in his BM test. I changed my mind and posted his BM video, because I thought if I didn't post his BM video, some would start losing their mind and scream, "What about his BM video that shows Park hitting the dime better than BM!!!!!". But I digress, because yes, that BM video wasn't the greatest in proving my point that BM is a very niche mode, that works better than stock Park on many fringe targets, but doesn't do so on all fringe targets.
 
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Is there any good reason why anybody would NOT leave DT mode turned on?

Well, I personally don’t like the way DT changes the audio tone quality. To my ears, it’s a very unappealing hybrid of the goldfield’s pitch tone VCO style audio and standard tones - I don’t ever use goldfield audio for a reason! Sure, lower DT settings mitigate that somewhat, but it also dampens any real benefits the setting might be providing. With that said, I personally have just been using DT as a “checker” when I get over a borderline, iffy target to see if I can squeeze a little extra target info out of a signal.

To be honest, I still don’t have any real understanding about what actually gets adjusted, filtered, and/or added when I “turn on” or adjust the level of DT. Again, this is all we have to go on about DT from Nokta: “This feature allows non-ferrous deep targets, which are masked or detected as iron (ferrous), to be detected as non-ferrous.” Among other things, I don’t understand how this feature achieves that goal differently than, say, Iron Filter or Stability.

All detector settings involve a give and take - I’m sure DT is no different, but I don’t know where those trade offs are. I believe I have an excellent understanding of settings such as recovery speed, sensitivity, iron filter - I know what I gain and what I sacrifice when I use them, and I am confident in knowing when to adjust them and how much. I don’t have that understanding with DT, so I do not want it constantly running. I fly airplanes for a living…pilots have a strong aversion to flipping switches without fully understanding what the switch does and what the advantages and disadvantages entail!
 
Is there any good reason why anybody would NOT leave DT mode turned on?
I think it depends on your soil conditions, the depth of the really good targets and finding out what setting to keep Deep Target on.

So far, I have to leave mine set on 2 at the most. Anything higher and all of the tones, ferrous and non ferrous start to fracture and sound pretty bad. I have DT on for sites where most of the really good non-ferrous targets are deeper than 6" and they start to tend to sound more like ferrous targets pretty quick after about 8" depth
 
Also, a ground balance of 2 does not always mean soil is mild.

The GB thing is a common misconception. Heck, I've got extremely mild ground, and my GB is around 30.

I think the “GB = mineralization level” misconception is one of the commonest, most pervasive misconceptions in metal detecting - and veteran detectorists are just as guilty as new ones. I know you guys already know this, but whenever it comes up, I believe it’s worth taking the time to emphasize for detectorists who aren’t aware: ground balance numbers can only tell you something about what kind of mineralization you are dealing with (magnetite, iron, salinity, etc), not how much mineralization there is. Think about it this way - if ground balance numbers told you how much mineralization there was, a machine like the Legend wouldn’t need a mineralization meter, because it would be redundant with the ground balance.

This discussion from another forum is a nice explanation:

https://www.detectorprospector.com/topic/1599-gb-numbers-mineralization/#comment-19002
 
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