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Question: Preferred angle of a scoop handle?

Owl Engineering

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Hello everyone,

After building scoops for many years with the handle at 20 degrees, I am wondering if this is ideal (since I am building a new design and looking at all aspects of design and now is the time to make changes if any).

20 degrees? 25 degrees? 30 degrees?

I have always been a 90 degree boy (vertical) but will be trying to re-program myself with an angle scoop at 20 degrees.

Chuck
 
Easiest way is make yourself a small patch of sand. Then imaging water is almost neck deep. Then imagine trying to push the scoop deep enough to try and get something in one or two scoops without your head going under water. Measure the various angles. Also if you watch detecting vids, some flip the sand out of the scoop in the wet sand with their foot. Harder doing at 90 degree. Try to kick the scoop with your foot and let the scoop head pendulum to disperse the wet sand. My guess is 22 degrees. I made a couple of my own by adjusting it with tack welds while digging with it. I just stopped when it was comfortable for me. Also long snouts can be aggravating. Fixing to cut some of the lip off of the Honey Badger I was using. And also don't put the holes all the way to the tip like they did.
 
Owl Engineering said:
Hello everyone,

After building scoops for many years with the handle at 20 degrees, I am wondering if this is ideal (since I am building a new design and looking at all aspects of design and now is the time to make changes if any).

20 degrees? 25 degrees? 30 degrees?

I have always been a 90 degree boy (vertical) but will be trying to re-program myself with an angle scoop at 20 degrees.

Chuck
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Your 720i is 20% so that is what I prefer... I hated my 90 degree scoop and sold it...
 
720i angle, I think its going to be hard to top your old line..720 and the 920.. What would be nice is a 720 all carbon fiber:extrahappy:as strong as SS.
 
Owl Engineering said:
After building scoops for many years with the handle at 20 degrees, I am wondering if this is ideal (since I am building a new design and looking at all aspects of design and now is the time to make changes if any).
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Would it not depend on the height of the person [serious question] and possible handle length?
 
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I currently own a 90º. I'm a noob... what did I know. With the handle at 90º, the scoop bucket is way too shallow when you are trying to get the nose in dig position. It makes you bend at the waist... at some weird contorted angle to get any depth. This is of course while juggling your detector in the other hand.

Without going out to the garage and hooking a protractor to the handle, I can't tell you what angle is "best", but it's not 90º.
 
The 720 hybrid is poetry in motion. I have had mine for years and even though I have had it rewelded, I hope it is the last scoop I will ever buy. In South Florida, night hunters have to contend with swarms of tiny swimming crustaceans called isopods that bite and even draw blood. The swarms are attracted to your headlamp. One wave can wash them onto your chin or face. The angle of the 720 allows me to hunt deeper water without the annoyance. I spend the majority of my precious beach time under water (during the day), and the 720's angle allows me to hunt deeper water since it gives me about an extra foot to push myself up on my scoop handle to get a breath. I know some of you are thinking, "get a longer handle," but then you can't get your handle to slide under your armpit when you need to and it's annoying.
 
There are times when 20 isn't quite the ideal angle (when wanting to dig deep very fast, 30 is actually much better, especially like on dry sand area, you get deep and down to target fast) and then there are times when 20 isn't quite the ideal angle (when targets are sitting on hard clay in the rocks, then more towards 90 would be better suited, so the scoop is more parallel with bottom). 25 could be nifty.
 
SenorTesoro said:
In South Florida, night hunters have to contend with swarms of tiny swimming crustaceans called isopods that bite and even draw blood. The swarms are attracted to your headlamp. One wave can wash them onto your chin or face.
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I have never night hunted but it was something that I was considering doing heading into retirement. You sir have just ruined the thought of it! :lol:
I too have a 720 hybrid and had 1 repair done to it last year. What a great scoop. :yes:
 
Well since you make your own scoops, why not incorporate an adjustable bracket like a coil stabilizer. Simple fix.:waytogo: Stabilizer.jpg
 
SenorTesoro said:
The 720 hybrid is poetry in motion. I have had mine for years and even though I have had it rewelded, I hope it is the last scoop I will ever buy. In South Florida, night hunters have to contend with swarms of tiny swimming crustaceans called isopods that bite and even draw blood. The swarms are attracted to your headlamp. One wave can wash them onto your chin or face. The angle of the 720 allows me to hunt deeper water without the annoyance. I spend the majority of my precious beach time under water (during the day), and the 720's angle allows me to hunt deeper water since it gives me about an extra foot to push myself up on my scoop handle to get a breath. I know some of you are thinking, "get a longer handle," but then you can't get your handle to slide under your armpit when you need to and it's annoying.
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Isopods can have an attitude
 
SenorTesoro said:
The 720 hybrid is poetry in motion. I have had mine for years and even though I have had it rewelded, I hope it is the last scoop I will ever buy. In South Florida, night hunters have to contend with swarms of tiny swimming crustaceans called isopods that bite and even draw blood. The swarms are attracted to your headlamp. One wave can wash them onto your chin or face. The angle of the 720 allows me to hunt deeper water without the annoyance. I spend the majority of my precious beach time under water (during the day), and the 720's angle allows me to hunt deeper water since it gives me about an extra foot to push myself up on my scoop handle to get a breath. I know some of you are thinking, "get a longer handle," but then you can't get your handle to slide under your armpit when you need to and it's annoying.
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You should be collecting those isopods they are edible... this link says they taste like chicken... https://oceanfauna.com/can-you-eat-isopods/#google_vignette
 
hoser said:
Well since you make your own scoops, why not incorporate an adjustable bracket like a coil stabilizer. Simple fix.:waytogo:View attachment 593087
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99% an adjustment would weaken the scoop. I also used to make way to many models. I now want to design that 90% would be happy with. Making odd designs for a few hunters would cost ME a lot of money.
Chuck
 
KOB said:
Where's Surfmaster when you need him.
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:awwman: :imo: A bit more than 20 degrees, 22.5, or 25 degrees' I think Chuck nailed it at 25 degree's 👍 , but not over that pitch , another guy on here said add an adjustable pitch plate , that would add weight , and maybe some play , also the deck height needs to be bumped up to-- 6 inches, from 5 , so the treasure doesn't get lost over the top in water, even in wet- were I hunt most , when I get out , finds have went over the top , 1 more inch would END that problem , 316 SS a must, as 306 SS was a thing- in the past , 316 SS is better on corrosion , just like the Stavr screw hole handle lock down- in the gooseneck , he needs a new design , personally I hate it , and to boot-- NO 316 SS , There you go KOB / CHUCK , hope my opinion has helped , started to loose weight , today going to ride the bike , tomorrow joining the gym , I have lost all motivation , energy , and will continue to fight my battle , I chime in in May , 25 degrees , 316 SS , 6 inch deck height from the bottom of the throat to the top plate , should be the ticket , happy designing / happy hunting , Earl :goodluck: PS- Also would add--- Xtreme now - only makes scoops 8 wide , I like 9 wide , mostly hunt with the 920IX , it would be nice to offer scoops at 9 & 10 wide , as I would move on from 9 wide to 10 wide , hunting the wet with larger coils -15 inch coil, a 10 wide scoop / 6 inch deck height , 25 Degree, in 316 SS is a :dingding::thumbsup:
 
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Ken Clad said:
Without going out to the garage and hooking a protractor to the handle, I can't tell you what angle is "best", but it's not 90º.
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I went and got a protractor and zip tied it to the handle, and played around in the yard. Hey, I had some free time! I think 25º is the sweet spot for me.
 
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