Tom_in_CA
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What does it matter? .....
So that we can collectively all be aware and stop the vicious circle/cycle from repeating elsewhere.
What does it matter? .....
So that we can collectively all be aware and stop the vicious circle/cycle from repeating elsewhere.
I think you should personally contact Governor Cuomo ....
Why is it in effect at all?
What I'm asking is what brought about the reason(s) for a permit?
Where there masked metal detecting muggers?
Are there reasons for needing to know a bunch of information about mdrs?
It might not bother you but it bothers me.
I totally understand if theres clear prohibitions on mding. I get it.
What I don't understand is how many mdrs think this is normal and a good idea.
The question is irrelevant... no one probably knows... I think it is what it is... these cities can and do what they want.
...All I know is that if you don’t want to get hassled detecting in a NYC park you need the permit.
Almost to the answer Cmfct.
The powers that be do whatever they want because they use instruments of fear.
Because we the great unwashed are afraid.
Because we the plebs want to please.
Because we the idios want to be obedient.
Well, yes, it's "irrelevant" as-to-whether or not it currently exists. And is currently required by md'rs in those exact locales. Yes, In that sense it's "irrelevant".
But it *is* relevant for our hobby to understand WHY these things come about in the first place. And I disagree that "no one probably knows". While I agree that there will be disagreements about the various genesis of each exact place , yet it *does* deserve scrutiny . So as to keep it from occurring elsewhere, going forward. In that sense, yes it's a relevant discussion.
And you would be surprised how many newbies do indeed read about these very limited places where it exists (it's actually very rare, but yes, a few cities dreamed it up). And when the newbies hear and read about such things, guess what they're inclined to do ?
And Yes, those cities can "do what they want". But the question is: WHY did they "WANT" to do that in the first place ?
You think it may not be true the website is clearly put out by the city of New York...
Would you/do you pass up hunting areas that require a permit, then?
Usually I can accept what you say and not to get philosophical but government’s method of controlling people is through things like permits . And once government takes things away they are never returned . And people in government do sit in Ivory Towers every day to think of ways to control freedoms and these controls are called “Regulations “ and a permit is just another regulation. Just watch the next couple of years if you want to see how the Ivory Tower types tamper with your freedoms.The “permit” officials will be tracking your finds so they can value them and tax them to pay for more entitlements ; only kidding , I thinkHippy, here's where I think I differ from you : I am not 'dissing govt. as "big and bad". I am not "afraid". I do, in fact, want to please the govt. I do, in fact, feel that people should be obedient to the govt.
So my rant is not about "big bad govt.". They're only doing their job. And we actually live in the greatest free-est most prosperous country on the planet in a lot of ways. So I'm not bashing the govt.
None of them sat in an ivory tower somewhere and thought "Gee, who am I going to bug today, to tamper with their freedoms. HHhhmmm, let's harass md'rs today ". That is not the genesis of a lot of supposed "no's" or "permits", when it comes to our hobby. I have nothing but respect for govt., LEO's, etc.... They're just people like you and me, trying to reign in chaos, live their lives, do their jobs, etc....
Usually I can accept what you say and not to get philosophical but government’s method of controlling people is through things like permits . And once government takes things away they are never returned . And people in government do sit in Ivory Towers every day to think of ways to control freedoms and these controls are called “Regulations “ and a permit is just another regulation. Just watch the next couple of years if you want to see how the Ivory Tower types tamper with your freedoms.The “permit” officials will be tracking your finds so they can value them and tax them to pay for more entitlements ; only kidding , I think